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For more then one reason. 1.) You lied, and are not the original owner. 2.) The diaper is so old that they can not verify how frequently it was used. 3.) It really looks like you dried on high or soaked it in oxyclean.

My other ASSumption is, that due to the tone of your post, your email was likely rude and accusatory (and that isn’t going to get you far).

So, good for RaR sticking to their return policies and not getting screwed over.

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I just thought I would share my experience with this company with everyone, and please let everyone you know how much the RaR company doesn’t care about its product or customers.

I bought a new RaR on DS in January or February. The woman I bought it from had bought it new from the company, tried it on her daughter, and didn’t like it. So she sold it. I got it in new, unwashed condition. I washed it as the label suggests and with All Free and Clear detergent. It went in the dryer on low. Almost immediately, I noticed that the diaper didn’t fit as well. With each wash, it seemed to be stuck to itself inside, pulling the outside in, and making it smaller. (I have other RaR diapers that I wash in the same way and have never had a problem, but those were bought used off of DS). It has gotten to the point where it doesn’t fit well on my daughter.

I contacted the company and explained the situation. I sent in a picture of the problem like they asked, and was told that it is not a defect. Holly Stevens told me, “Thank you for submitting your claim to us. Unfortunately, your diaper appears to be from a much older production run based on the color, and does not qualify for replacement. We stopped producing this color before the supplier issue occurred. Sometimes diapers will delaminate after a certain number of use/washes/trips in the dryer. Also, soaking of any kind can damage the bond between the TPU and the fabric. Certain laundry agents will also cause the TPU to age prematurely such as bleach or oxyclean. If you would like more information about care please let me know” and in another email, “The diaper that you have submitted is not defective. It was purchased before the supplier issue occurred and is free of any defects. Diapers with TPU may delaminate after a certain amount of use depending on the care routine. I know you are disappointed but hope that you will understand that we are only able to provide replacements for diapers that were produced at the time we experienced the supplier issue.”

If a ton of people don’t complain to them, then it is not defective. This is the worst company I have ever encountered. They clearly care nothing for the quality of their product or the satisfaction of their customers. I will never buy another diaper from this company, and I suggest you think twice about ever doing so in case you ever end up with a “non-defective” defective diaper like me.

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Ok, so I did a trade with a mama on here. I did a custom crochet skirty for her in return for some mama cloth. She had great communication. I never asked to see pics because I figured that if you are going to offer a trade for your sewing skills for a *custom* crochet skirty then you must know what you are doing right? I requested a pic before she mailed it, and she sent a very blurry pic. I couldn’t see detail in the pic other than I was already disapointed with them. It wasn’t until I opened the package until I saw the stitching etc. they really are unusable. What would you do? How would you go about it?

ETA: Not to mention I was supposed to get 12 pantiliners and only got 10

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The OP, justmeandmy3+1 traded a custom wool skirty for 12 WAHM pads.

The trade was with momof3under3 as you can see in feedback.

Here is what justmaandmy3+1 sent:

Here is what she got from momof3under3. (momof3under3 and her lack of sewing ability was recently discussed here).

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I don’t think it gets worse then that.


This is what I am getting from the OP:  “I’m rude and opinionated, but that is ok until someone else is mean to me…”

I foresee another big YAGE, a banning, and multiple UNs from this mama.

Diaper Swappers “Mean Girls”!! http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=888733

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Diaper Swappers “Mean Girls”!!

It used to be when I first joined up here almost a year ago that I would come on to Off Topic forum and have some fun conversation. But in the past 2 months I’m sick just visiting this forum. We have some MEAN GIRLS on our hands here! I have received two strikes since this has happened. Once for defending my religion, and the second strike was for defending my RIGHT to formula feed after that last thread disaster.

Why do some mothers on here feel the need to pick others apart? Why do they feel the need to start threads which they KNOW will hurt many, MANY mamas on here? What has happened? I am a grownup. I act that way. Why can’t some people on here stop acting like the “Popular” girls in high school that feel so low about themselves that they need to make everyone else feel like dirt?

Please for the sake of your children, and you know who YOU are. Change. Stop the cycle here and now. Because you will teach this to your kids. They will adopt your attitudes and become the bullies throughout life.

BE NICE!!!!!!

I may have stooped to some low levels when I was backed against the wall, and I’m sorry. Let’s all SUPPORT each other now. I felt like this was an extension of my family when I first joined. I hope to feel that again. I really do like ALL of you ladies. I never had a problem with differences ever in my life.

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I’m firmly of the opinion that if you want to join a community and talk amongst adults, you’d best put on your big girl panties, because not everyone holds the same opinion as you, and you’re pretty well guaranteed to not like some of them.

And in all honesty OP, you had at least as much of a hand in making the one thread heated and upsetting as anyone else. You took it too personally, and started lashing out at anyone who’s opinion was different than yours. Sure, that thread due to the subject matter was probably destined to become heated, but please, take a little responsibility. You took on the label of “Mean Girl” yourself there. Some of the things you said were pretty darn nasty and you offended a few mamas yourself. And I think the saddest part about it was that if you actually read the subject of it, it had very little to do with you. Don’t put this all on the people who started the thread, it takes two (or more) to create the flame war that devolved into.

If you don’t like a thread, don’t read it, certainly don’t respond to it, and eventually it’ll drop off the first page and go into oblivion like all the others. The more you respond to it, the more it gets bumped up and the more it gets replied to. You’re perfectly welcome to not like certain threads and discussions but that’s one of the beauties of an online message forum – you don’t have to read the ones you don’t like! You can only be put on the defensive and backed into a corner if you let yourself be.

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I’m firmly of the opinion that if you want to join a community and talk amongst adults, you’d best put on your big girl panties, because not everyone holds the same opinion as you, and you’re pretty well guaranteed to not like some of them.

And in all honesty OP, you had at least as much of a hand in making the one thread heated and upsetting as anyone else. You took it too personally, and started lashing out at anyone who’s opinion was different than yours. Sure, that thread due to the subject matter was probably destined to become heated, but please, take a little responsibility. You took on the label of “Mean Girl” yourself there. Some of the things you said were pretty darn nasty and you offended a few mamas yourself. And I think the saddest part about it was that if you actually read the subject of it, it had very little to do with you. Don’t put this all on the people who started the thread, it takes two (or more) to create the flame war that devolved into.

If you don’t like a thread, don’t read it, certainly don’t respond to it, and eventually it’ll drop off the first page and go into oblivion like all the others. The more you respond to it, the more it gets bumped up and the more it gets replied to. You’re perfectly welcome to not like certain threads and discussions but that’s one of the beauties of an online message forum – you don’t have to read the ones you don’t like! You can only be put on the defensive and backed into a corner if you let yourself be.

See, this is what I’m talking about. Your ego is HUGE! I was referring to another post with a mama asking advice about her baby falling asleep on the floor. The posters were VERY rude! I’m finished answering you though. I don’t know how I should feel then being told I fed my children , “Substandard, sugary, crap”. Ummm, okay, yeah. I shouldn’t have felt bad at ALL! :eyesroll:

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I’m firmly of the opinion that if you want to join a community and talk amongst adults, you’d best put on your big girl panties, because not everyone holds the same opinion as you, and you’re pretty well guaranteed to not like some of them.

And in all honesty OP, you had at least as much of a hand in making the one thread heated and upsetting as anyone else. You took it too personally, and started lashing out at anyone who’s opinion was different than yours. Sure, that thread due to the subject matter was probably destined to become heated, but please, take a little responsibility. You took on the label of “Mean Girl” yourself there. Some of the things you said were pretty darn nasty and you offended a few mamas yourself. And I think the saddest part about it was that if you actually read the subject of it, it had very little to do with you. Don’t put this all on the people who started the thread, it takes two (or more) to create the flame war that devolved into.

If you don’t like a thread, don’t read it, certainly don’t respond to it, and eventually it’ll drop off the first page and go into oblivion like all the others. The more you respond to it, the more it gets bumped up and the more it gets replied to. You’re perfectly welcome to not like certain threads and discussions but that’s one of the beauties of an online message forum – you don’t have to read the ones you don’t like! You can only be put on the defensive and backed into a corner if you let yourself be.

I completely agree.

I mean, talking about not wanting to see people “hanging their teat out” and vowing to “report them” and have them dragged out of stores? Really? That said enough to me about your true nature. However, in spite of all the ugliness (including the ugliness you put out there,) I don’t see that thread as comparable to the “Mean Girls” movie whatsoever.

Anywho… I have never received a strike and I have participated in many heated threads and offered my opinion. It’s all in what you say and how you say it. Just something to think about.

While I don’t agree with what went on in the most recent dramatical thread, I also don’t think that this is a case of “ZOMG everybody is sooo mean and cliquey!” I think things need to be read with BGP firmly in place. I also don’t think starting a separate thread for the purpose of handslapping is really doing anyone any good.

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Hmmm methinks … pot meet kettle.

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This post makes me want to do this . You really need to stop before you end up with another strike.

Oh the horror!

To be banned from Diaper Swappers. I mean come on. If that’s supposed to upset me then that’s funny. I belong to another community that I’ve never had problems on so I think I’ll stick with them there.

Bye all.

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You are right, you should have left it alone. Now you look like an ass, and a scammer. You can find the other side of the story on TF if you look 😉

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But I can’t. I feel like this folder is such a joke and I can’t sit on my hands hard enough to stop me from typing this post, even though I know it’s against the rules.

Not responding to a buyer’s PM about having sent the paypal does NOT mean that you are out and out ignoring her, it might just mean that you already knew that she sent it because you got an email notification about it from paypal. Telling the buyer that OF COURSE I apologized profusely only AFTER I had a paypal claim filed against me is ridiculous. I knew I was late with shipping and I was apologizing because I knew I was in the wrong. To turn my apologizing around into a reason why she should leave negative feedback is really ridiculous. Would it have been better if I hadn’t apologized for my own error at all? I had more than one transaction in the balance at the time of the one in question, and the other mama I was working with waited for a (timely) response to her PM about the shipping status. She and I agreed that priority shipping with an extra dipe thrown into her package would be fine, but the mama that you all advised filed a paypal claim just an hour after sending me a PM asking if I had a DC number. I know because I got the email notifications of both the PM and the paypal claim on my blackberry while I was driving to a job interview. If she still wanted to file a paypal claim after hearing that I had not shipped yet (which I was planning to tell her as soon as I got home), that would have been her prerogative.

And finally, ONE negative feedback that was left more than a YEAR ago out of 234 transactions is NOT “a history of this sort of thing”.

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2 large mutts left! Perfect elastic and snaps

 

I have 5 or 6 but I am not taking pics unless there is interest in them. Feel free to pm me for pics or tell of your interest here in this thread!
They are good used condition, great elastic and snaps, no stains, rips or tears. I got them used and used them very little.AVAILABLE
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I have pictures available by email.

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http://s646.photobucket.com/albums/u…ction=organizePictures available here also

 

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pictures added..I figured out how to post them..pics of inners available also by request.

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only the bee is left!

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The bees and the zoo print are left.

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Morning bumpity!

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Still two great diapers left ready for a new home!

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Two lovely squishy dipes available!

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MODS This is It’s A Snap/ Granny’s Woolies again. Her PB photos http://s646.photobucket.com/albums/u…oVelourHeaven/ match her online store: http://hyenacart.com/ItsaSnap/Please do something about this user. She came back on HC under an alternative IP/IP hider as well.

 

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(THANK YOU KIMBELLA FOR THE INFO AND THANK YOU CDMP FOR THE POST)

Even the photo info is the same on the sheets and on the diapers, which means it is her taking both photos, no way she “borrowed” them b/c she liked them. (IE: What Camera and her information behind the type of settings on the camera.

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Who is the WAHM? This one is giving me a bad feeling… The WAHM needs to refund not only her fees, but the cost of the product.

Small Claims court would be worth it 100%. It only costs like $70 to file a case.

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So we’re done for now. She refunded us the cost of embroidery. I’m not happy with the resolution because she has blamed the whole problem on us. We indeed asked for insurance…we have proof in e-mail. She also accused me of extortion because I asked for embroidery for free. All I asked for was her to embroider the rest of my stash (10 diapers) because she offered to replace 1/2 of the diapers and embroider them. I don’t know what else to say at this point. I’m glad she’s stopping her business so no one else can get burnt from a mistake as stupid as this. For the record, I think we have been very decent to this wahm since our box has been missing for almost 2 months. I know most “goodmama” mama’s would be VERY bent out of shape about this. We are considering legal action at this point.

From the WAHM: Well, I think I’ve lost hope that the package will show up. I’ve never had this happen before, so let’s try to figure out how much I owe you and Heather for this missing box.

I charged you 88.40 and Heather 54.65. There were 20 diapers in the box, but one of them (the emerald I embroidered with Deck the Halls for Heather) still belonged to me. A lot of the diapers, as I recalled were fairly well used and loved and were no longer silky, but I know that at least 4 of yours were NIP- China blue, macaw, 1 of the bikers, and giraffe. Were there any other NIP ones that I’m forgetting? I’m just trying to figure out the market value of the diapers that are missing.

I don’t know if it is expected that I reimburse you for the full price of the box that went missing. I looked up several cloth diapering businesses to see what their policies were on missing mail, and they said that if the package showed up as delivered on DC then the package was not replaceable and they wouldn’t refund. However, I do feel somewhat responsible for not adding the insurance. I do hope that you would remember that I’m not a huge business, and it’s hard when you’re a busy mom with three boys- mistakes can and do sometimes happen. Usually not to the diapers though, thank goodness ;o). Also, I’m not trying to shift blame at all, but mainly to let you know how I do things, usually if a customer wants insurance they add it when they purchase the slots on hc, which I am able to see right when I’m shipping, and since it was 20 something days between when Heather mentioned the insurance and I shipped, it would have been hard for me to remember, esp. since it was never paid for . At the time when I was shipping these diapers, I had several other large orders going through my house at the same time as people were preparing for Christmas and I was preparing to close down for December, and it’s hard to keep track of every little detail unless it’s mentioned on the note with the diapers or on the order/payment forms.

So, that’s where I am right now. Let’s try to figure out what would be a fair reimbursement, and I am more than happy to even do partial trades with my own stash, 2/3rds of which is still NIP.

From me: First of all I want to thank you for your willingness to help replace our diapers. I am sure you are as heartbroken as Heather and I are about this. I just wanted them to show up so we wouldn’t have to deal with this. I spent numerous months saving for and collecting the obvs I loved and wanted embroidered after seeing Heather’s beautiful diapers you did. Without going into details my husband and I are dealing with the housing crisis in Arizona and losing more than 1/2 the value on our home, moving to Alaska on our own dime, and living on one income. Heather’s husband has been deployed in Iraq for 6 months and she’s been taking care of her 5 kids with no help, also living on one income. We are all mom’s and understand how busy life can get with the kiddos. Basically we all have our own issues, kwim? You also mentioned the way we ordered, but as I recall this is how you wanted me to do it when I asked you. Next time I will be more than happy to through Hyena Cart.

As for what we expect….normally businesses say that they aren’t responsible for packages once they leave unless you purchase insurance. I just know that if insurance had been placed on the box that we wouldn’t be in this situation. It would have never been delivered as I would of have to pick them up at the post office. I know Heather wanted insurance because of how many diapers were in there and the value, plus coming to Alaska things tend to get lost sometimes.

I don’t how to value the diapers as most of them you can’t get through GM anymore since their sale and I have had an ISO out for them an no offers except for your Mudpie. Some of the color combos doesn’t matter to me, but I really really loved mudpie, overalls, beetle, drummer, slushie, and giraffe. I was able to snag a pure from her last stocking luckily because that was one of my favorites as well. Heather’s favorite was the orange with pink. Her’s were definently used, but still in vguc condition. Most of mine were NIP or used a couple times. We don’t mind the diapers being replaced with used diapers or diapers from your stash. I also have a few more obvs I wanted to get embroidered. We want to send you the the red obv as well since it was a trade for the emerald that you embroidered for Heather.

What do you think is fair based on the situation?

Thank you again for working with us on this situation.

From the WAHM: Why don’t I replace half the diapers missing. I will let Heather have 3 of these and Dana is welcome to have 7 of them. If they are used, we’ll count two as one. If the diapers you pick are not embroidered, I’d be more than happy to add embroidery for free.

Here’s what I have that I can offer you and Heather:

From me: Thank you for your response. I would be interested in Giraffe from your list. You also mentioned before that you had Mudpie, do you still have that? The rest of the diapers I either have or are too girly for us. I think I would rather have the paypal to try to replace my favorite’s from the missing box. I have already snagged a pure and a licorice. Also, could I send you the remainder of my obvs to have embroidered. I think there maybe be 10 total. I know at one point you said you might sell your London. Would you be interested in doing that now? Also, what would you like us to do with the red obv?

From the WAHM: We have a bit of a problem…

My husband came across the e-mail from Dana today. He gets my mail forwarded to his iPhone and reads it every now and then, which isn’t a big deal. He knew about the diapers getting lost and everything, but he didn’t know that I was going to try to reimburse you half for what was lost. He ended up giving me a long talk about this whole ordeal and how I should be running a business, not a charity. This is not the first time where I’ve tried to go above and beyond to make a customer happy and my husband thinks I’m going overboard this time. I am already running this business at a loss, and at the way I’m going, he’ll probably make me shut down if I continue to do things they way I have been. He told me that due to the fact that the purchase of insurance is available on my HC cart and it wasn’t purchased with the slots, and that most cloth diapering businesses will not tack it on after the fact because it seriously causes a nightmare to try to keep track of everything, as I now realize with this case. My own return policy, which was written back in February and which I never even thought to check until today states, “We are not responsible for items lost or damaged in transit…. Please note, we ship ALL PACKAGES with delivery confirmation or with a tracking number. If the package is scanned as “delivered”, the package is not replaceable. Please be sure to use a delivery address that has a secure location where the carrier can leave your package.” So, now here I am in a very awkward situation with a very stubborn husband and this whole situation on my hands. What it came down to was that my husband thinks that I offered way too much in way of making this up to you, however he said that I am free to do whatever I’d like with my own diapers, but I am not permitted to refund any money. Further, he feels that the total value amount that I should be reimbursing should be equal to the amount that you paid for the embroidery, however since I already promised more I will be sticking with what I originally said. So, there it is. I know this probably makes me wildly unpopular and probably will even make me deserving of some negative feedback somewhere, but I cannot go against my husband. You’re free to take any of the diapers that I offered (and I do have other embroidered diapers on my main website, along with other handmade items, if the diapers that I listed for you are not suitable), but I will not be able to go any further than that. I’m really sorry. I am already going way beyond what my husband thinks I should do and what others would have done in this situation, and I cannot do this for every single customer I have who has a problem. It just won’t work anymore.

The other thing that my husband brought up was what would happen if the diapers do show up eventually? If I’m sending brand new embroidered diapers and you use them, and then the originals show up, I end up being the only loser in the situation because the value of the diapers goes down as soon as they are worn the first time. I would appreciate if we could come up with a way to handle these diapers in case the others do eventually show up (and I’m still holding onto a glimmer of hope that they will…).

I hope this doesn’t come across as being mad or angry… I know it’s hard to judge the tone of an e-mail and we tend to make assumptions. I’m just really disappointed and frustrated, as I’m sure you both are, too. I would like to take care of this as quickly as possible, and before I send any replacements I would also like to have a plan for how we’ll handle these replacement diapers in the event that the original ever show up.

Our response: Wow that was alot to digest. I don’t even really know where to start. I guess, I should preface it by saying that Dana and I also ran a hyena cart account this Christmas, so I do understand the stresses of being a wahm. We did letters from Santa and had people sending us information EVERYWHERE. Before we could complete a letter we had to check info on PP, on HC and in our business email acct to make sure everything was completed correctly. So while I do understand mistakes happen, insurance WAS asked for and YOU said you would bill me for it. I cannot even fathom how you could print a label for that many goodmama’s and not insure it. You could have billed me again saying you forgot it in the original total. I TOTALLY would have paid it. Dana started a thread, a while back not outing you but stating what had happened and EVERY wahm that commented couldn’t believe that another wahm would ship a package with that value without insurance, REGARDLESS of payment or not.

http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/…d.php?t=628642

I also once, we realized they were lost asked Dana to hold off on contacting you during the holidays, one to see if after the holiday rush they would show, and 2 to try and not stress you about it. I wanted you to have as good of a holiday as possible without worrying about diapers. I feel that we have been nothing but kind and Dana went above and beyond what ANYONE normally would in looking for this particular package. How many people do you know that would HANG FLYERS at -50 in search of diapers? I can’t even tell you the amount of times she has called, went to, or talked in person to either the mail carrier or someone at the post office. I would venture to guess in dealing with all this she has spent upwards of 20 hours, on hold, on foot, hunting for this box. She also shoveled anywhere this package could possible have ended up, all while dealing with some sort of allergic reaction COVERED IN HIVES, with a husband in Afghanistan. I also can’t tell you the number of times she told me she wished they would just show up. NEITHER of us wanted to have to deal with this amount of lost diapers. I’m sure you didn’t want to either.

You have also stated that it insurance should have been purchased with the HC slot. I’m sorry but that is beyond ridiculous. You told Dana to purchase one slot and then the 2 of you would figure out the details. I don’t think in anyway by purchasing that one slot with insurance would have changed anything. The plain and simple fact of the matter is you forgot to insure it. What your husband thinks is irrelevant. It is your business and your mistake. Running at a loss is neither mine nor Dana’s responsibility.

I also cannot believe that you would even think that is would be a problem if the diapers did indeed eventually show up. I am a very honest person. I would/ will pay you full value of the diapers with embroidery. I’m just that kind of person. I also aim to please people. I to have lost diapers in trasactions, that had PROOF that I indeed mailed them, and did the exact same thing as you(which by the way I believed to be completely fair) replaced half of the $. It wasn’t a small amount but it was the right thing to do. I know you know that in your heart to otherwise you wouldn’t have originally offered what you did. Which was much appreciated. The added drama not so much.

I’m just sick about this whole thing and Dana and I aren’t the type of people to just go and tell it on the Mountain how we feel we got screwed. Up to this point I felt everything was dealt with class, hence me not stepping in. I do not by any means feel that Dana asked for to much by asking for the $ for the diapers you can’t replace.

I just am so disappointed. You were on of my favorite wahms and you really were dealing with the situation with such class. It’s unfortunate that you would let your husband ruin that. You knew the right thing to do. I do understand husbands being husbands and I get that. But I also will stand up to mine if I believe I am right and doing the right thing even if it’s hard. You were doing the right thing. Why you would send such a negative email blows me away. Wouldn’t it have been easier just to say to Dana “No I’m sorry, I cannot offer a cash refund” Instead of making us feel at fault.

I don’t even know what else to say

Last e-mail:

In this issue I have tried to be more than generous with you- I probably came across poorly in my last e-mail, but in my defense I’m dealing with people pulling on my arms from either side and I had a lot of frustrations running through my mind as I wrote that e-mail. After going over the whole situation again with my husband and several very honest friends, I have come to the solid conclusion that I cannot in fact be held at fault for what occurred . In returning to the e-mail correspondence, I found this portion of an e-mail where I gave Heather the total that she owed.

Now, I looked up the price of mailing the diapers back. I use paypal, so I think it gives a slight discount. The rate is $9.30 for the FRB, so your total is $55.85. I hope to begin the diapers early next week )

When I gave her the total, I mentioned specifically that the s/h charges were for a FRB, without mentioning anything else. The original invoice I had sent before specifically mentioned that her charge would be $46.55 before shipping, so that number came from adding the FRB to the original total. If there had been a desire to add insurance, it was not mentioned before the payment was sent, nor was there any attempt to send payment for insurance after the agreement had been made. And, as I have stated before, I have always had a policy that I’m not responsible for packages where insurance has not been paid, and in this case it was not paid.

When I was in college I took two very challenging semesters of business law, and it happened to be one of my absolute favorite classes. One of the semesters we spent just on business contracts. Basically, in a contract you have an offer and an acceptance. After the acceptance of an offer (such as I will embroidery x diapers for you and you will pay x amount and I will ship with carrier X) has been made between two parties, a contract is formed. All new details after an acceptance is made must be agreed upon by both parties, as it forms a new contract. Not once in any of the e-mail correspondence did I agree to add insurance, and I cannot be legally found in breach of a contract for something that I never agreed to do.

The last three e-mails from both of you have been less than courteous. I didn’t respond to the first two right away just in order to let myself cool off before dealing with the situation again. When I was first made aware that the box was missing I felt regret at not adding insurance because I felt bad that your box got lost. I immediately blamed myself, however by detailing all the facts again I cannot consider myself at fault for what occurred. I am more than aware of all the trouble that has gone on in attempts to recover the diapers on your end, however no one forced you do it, and I will not be lead into feeling guilty for what you chose to do in hopes of finding the package. In addition, I do not appreciate being told that I will be doing further embroidery work for free. That’s nothing but extortion. And so I have discussed this problem at length with my husband and I have made up my mind on the issue. I am going to refund both of you the full amount that I charged for my embroidery fees. I will not expect this money to be returned in the case that the diapers show up. Furthermore, I will ask that if you have any future embroidery needs, that you go to Paully at Middle Earth, Nellybeans, or any one of many other WAHM’s that offer custom embroidery jobs. I will be closing down my business on February 10th and using the next 5 months to prepare for the arrival of my 4th child. Any extra embroidery work I take on from now on will be solely at my discretion.

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Diaper related, but not DS related My 19 lost GMs!!

So my friend and I sent off 19 Goodmama diapers to be embroidered back in November. We asked for insurance for the shipment back when we initially were doing the order since this was going to be $800++ in 1 flat rate box. Well the mama sent off the box at the end of November. We still had not recieved it as of last week so I e-mailed her and asked if she had the DC#. The DC# said the box was delivered on December 1st. I then asked for the insurance info. She forgot to insure it….. Now you might be saying that since it says it was delivered the insurance would not do anything for me, but at our PO if something has insurance they hold it at the PO and make you come in and sign for it. I have already contacted my PO and they said they can’t find anything, but will look after the holiday rush. My questions: Has anyone had anything like this with a positive outcome (being found)? Whose fault is it and what should we do???

Thanks mamas!

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Re: Diaper related, but not DS related My 19 lost GMs!!

Still hoping over here, but the wahm isn’t writing us back. I’m thinking it’s not looking good

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I do personally believe that they are the OPs to do what she wants with, BUT, the mama did ask when she gave them to her, to have them FFSd.

Also, I am going to put this in Guess the Scammer b/c I feel that this case in particular is scamming.

ETA: I didn’t get a screen shot, I did grab another thread by the same OP, so this first post is the OP, but not the original Post itself. http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=640855

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IHA lots of different diapers.

I have lots of diapers, I have multiples of almost everything listed, just dont have time to go threw and count every thing and add colors. If you are interested in something pm me and i will answer you questions.

IHA-
Sugar cookie good mama
med- swaddlebees pocket
Med- yucky duck
med – bg aio
OS-BG AIO Pocket
Med- Fuzzy buns
Large- Fuzzy buns
PT- Fuzzy buns
GMD- Greens
Toddler Prefolds
Regular prefolds
Med- Very Baby
Large- Very baby
Large- Waddle Wades
Med- Bumkins AIO’s
Cotton babies Hemp fleece inserts
Coolababy OS AIO
Large- Thirsties covers
3T- Diaperap Trainer
4T- Diaperap Trainer
Med- Monster Fluff fleece soaker
Med- Rainbow fleece soaker
med- Snap-EZ pocket
Large- Snap-Ez pocket
med- TK cuddler
3T- Wool Shorties
m/L- Wool soaker
M/L- wool longies
med- wool shorties
Med- Happy heiny pocket
Med- Blueberry pocket
Med- Bummis cover
Large- Bummis cover
Med- Mudpies AI2
Med- Thirsties AIO
Zaichiki Baby ella bamboo prefold

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Piddle Poddles AI2
Paypal

PLEASE PM ME DONT POST HERE!

I know there is more but its in the wash so i will add it later.


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This is the response posted in the first thread that has been deleted.

http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6067831

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Re: Tons of diapers! MAKE AN OFFER!!! ADDED PICS!!!EVERYTHING NOW PPD!

Wow Momma. I’m really disappointed that I not only offered you a HUGE box of diapers but also delivered them to you, and you have turned around to sell them. The ONLY thing I asked in my FFS listing is that you reoffer FFS the things that you couldn’t use.

HERE is my original thread where I state:

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We are so done with CDing, and this stuff has been sitting around for months. I will inventory the big stuff, but its a HUGE box and I just want it gone. I am NOT willing to break this stuff up, and if you take it, PLEASE do not resell it. Use what you need and reoffer the rest.