How does someone get raves for so long with such crappy work? Is there a back story? I heard something about the WAHM threatening to sue over feedback? Anyone have details?



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I bought this dress for Kairi a couple months ago

but it was a Christmas gift so I am just now about

to rave about it.

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I love love love love love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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that is so cute and so is your DD!
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I Jenny… I have a couple dress too from her. I can’t for my daughter to wear them in the springtime although she already wearing the matching slippers right now.

It look beautiful on your daughter too.:thumbup:

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look beautiful on your daughter. i hope the sewing is better than 99% i’ve seen on the pics in her facebook.


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What Becky said…her FB things are horrendous.
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  1. Smartassmama says:

    Wow. Isn’t this exactly who someone asked about here yesterday?

    I’m loving those last two comments. I guess Whitney should consider herself lucky.

  2. Just me says:

    I just love the last two comments. off to go look at her FB so I have a better idea. What they are talking about.

  3. ~*~Momma~*~ says:

    oh my, lol @ the comments. that fabric combo is …interesting

  4. usmc_wifey_1345 says:

    WOW! Yea, those last two comments are more the truth then any rave….

  5. ~*~Momma~*~ says:

    Oh her…I had some OBV newborn booties from her…they were so small the elastic left welts, on my 1 hour old baby. no idea why teh sizing was so whack

  6. rella says:

    lol @ the comments. we’ve had shoes from her before. They were for my DDs 1st bday and I requested and “average” 12-18m shoe size and told her DD wore a size 5 in flexible soled shoes. She gave me shoes that were barely 4.25″ in length. I squeezed DD in them for pics only.

  7. yeahhboy says:

    What’s her FB URL? Im on my phone.

  8. reallytiredmommy says:

    I was going to buy shoes from her but at the time she didn’t take pp and I didn’t want to send a check so I went with some shoezoo shoes instead. Glad I did.

  9. Syrinx says:

    How hard is it to get out the iron and iron the finished product so it doesn’t look like you threw it in a heap on the floor and stomped on it?

  10. amessymama says:

    I wonder if she accepts PP now? Weird. I wonder why she didn’t. Too scared of people filing maybe?

    I’m the one that asked on the other page about the dresses. I think I’ll pass. Or let my 3 legged dog make one.

    Although, I do like the fabric combo on this one. That’s it though.

  11. amessymama says:

    8-If you iron it, then the crooked seams, poor cutting/sewing is much more visible.

  12. Stephanie says:

    One of my close friends (through diaperswappers—but we established a friendship on facebook) had an AWFUL experience with this seller.

    It got REALLY ugly and the seller refused to do anything to make it right. My friend put a lot of time & energy into an awesome trade & the seller’s end of it, pretty much blows.

    I will NEVER ever order from her & I “unliked” her store front on FB so I don’t even “support” her “business”.

  13. norrahsmommy says:

    lol those comments are GREAT!!

  14. Redhead says:

    KTmelody saved the day!

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    Please refrain from bashing WAHMS on this forum, if it comes up again, you will be issued a warning or strike.


    Super cute OP, love the fabric.
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  15. Jennifer says:

    That dress looks like a choir robe with a bad belt. Totally weird to me, kinda Obi Wan Kenobi-ish.

  16. amessymama says:

    If any of you fans of Very Chic Baby were lucky enough to get this dress, please come out of lurkdom and let us know if it is as hideous IRL as it is in the pics. Look at the bottom of that apron!

  17. amessymama says:

    Or this monstrosity.

  18. amessymama says:

    Wait, there’s more!

  19. sourpatchbabe says:

    If a unicorn got drunk and mated with a pile of vomit, THAT would be the result.

  20. JustMe says:

    @19 LOL!!!

  21. JustMe says:

    OT This dude is weirding me out. He just joined…a man on the boards is fine and all…but then he only has 49 posts, and how many threads has he started already? His use of smileys and calling people “mama” is all too familiar for a new member, and his mood is “flirty”?? I can’t decide if it’s all just weird, annoying or both.

  22. JustMe says:

    Oh, he’s also a new sewer, is spamming some nursing covers he made, and is contemplating making MC. A man making MC? I just can’t picture that. I mean, does anybody know a man who would even confess to LOOKING at a pad? I thought pads were to men what mice are to elephants.

  23. ktwb says:

    Subbing and loling at the horrible fb pics. I can’t believe someone would display that proudly.

  24. Tired says:

    So glad to see a new topic on here! Those are hideous dresses. The sewing looks crappy, half of them look like the fabric came from my grandma’s fabric stash and there is zero shape. I don’t get it!

  25. mamatocuties says:

    Maybe hes gay, and the Mrs is really Mr. Mrs. ClothDiaperingDaddy, if you know what I mean. He seems like he might be, just sayin’, not anything wrong with it.

  26. mamatocuties says:

    Oh. Nevermind. Even the gayest men don’t wear MC as far as I know

  27. sourpatchbabe says:

    26. You never know, did you see that episode of south park?

  28. sourpatchbabe says:

    Apparently his wife is jenny3AZbabies. She has 508 posts and 80 FB. No wonder the poor guy is all knowledgeable about diapers, his wife has been buying all the diapers in the known universe lol.

  29. ktwb says:

    27. The one where kartman wants his “period” and gets rectal bleeding from something?

  30. sourpatchbabe says:

    Yeah, and all the boys start wearing tampons.

  31. reallytiredmommy says:

    So they locked the thread by the lady who has no kids who was talking about taking a friends sister for an abortion. I’m wondering if it was actually locked because she’s trolling. Most of her posts seem to be on controversial topics.

  32. Syrinx says:

    31. Who knows? Trolls are pretty protected at DS unless they start major drama. Remember *she who shall not be named* and how long it took HER to be banned?

    As for the dresses, I’ve made plenty of peasant dresses in my time and they are a bit sack-like by nature, but none of the ones I made looked so formless on a kid. These ones are all way too wide and there’s a reason that you shir necklines for a ruffle instead of just making a header like you would for curtains. The patchwork, serged belts just make me scratch my head. Really? Unless you are working with knit and going for a lettuce edge, I should never see serging.

  33. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I wondered why that thread was closed. I didn’t see anything that was bad in the responses but I wonder if they closed it because it was asking advice on a potentiality illegal activity. There are so many issues involved with this so maybe they were concerned that the website could be seen as involved. I hope she just goes away she seems to love to stir the pot !

  34. sourpatchbabe says:

    regardless, if I find out that a “family friend” helped a daughter of mine get an abortion I’m going to make their faces acquainted with my shotgun. That’s one thing that the parents have to deal with, not some random “family friend.”

  35. MOMWITHMANY says:

    It was really shocking to me how many people were thanking her for “helping” even though she admitted there was no abuse. I wonder how many of them would enjoy someone dong that to their child and grandchild.

  36. smartassmama says:

    Those dresses. . . SMH. All those Goodwill tablecloths & curtains that had to die. I so sad.

    The dude – I thought it was trying to hard with ALL those threads in one night. He’s starting as many as that 16yo girl.

    I really think MyLovely is high school aged. Call me crazy, but I do. Whatever she is, it’s not what she claims to be. And if I told any of my friends that my teenaged sister wanted an abortion one would probably be brutally honest about her opinion & call her the Big W and the others would gasp in disbelief. Then my sister would kick me right in the ass for telling her secrets.

    But the pad guy? Rofl. One of my new pads (BF sale! Woohoo! From MMP) has a red dyed soaker area. My husband saw it in the sink, let out an audible shocked gasp, and asked if that was healthy. “do I need to take you to the ER?!” bahahaha!

    I’m getting really irritated with the closed threads. I barely get two cents out of my pocket on one and it goes. I give a bit of advice about “don’t answer unless you think!” on the other and it’s closed. But honestly, even for prudes, there was nothing mean in the second. No one had even been called a baby killer yet!

    I don’t think. . .

  37. smartassmama says:

    Exactly SPB. I don’t think she liked that I called her a random friend. It was nicer than what I was thinking. “FRIEND.”

  38. Whitney Walters says:

    I am requesting that you remove my daughter’s photos from your site. I am not very happy to see you are using them without my permission. Regardless of your thoughts and opinions on the dress, I happen to like it and have had no issues with the seller. But my main point is, take my daughter’s photos down.

  39. Mamato3 says:

    I know Whitney personally and I’m sure she wouldn’t want pictures of her daughter on a website she knows nothing about. For all we know there are pedophiles scoping out this site.

    If you don’t like the seller or the dress that is fine. We’re all entitled to our opnions. But putting up pictures of someone’s CHILD without their permission is not cool. Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves for putting another mama’s child in danger.

  40. Redhead says:

    Dude people- if you want to remain anonymous you need to turn off the hover cards. Hover over your monsters..

  41. MotherMoonPads says:

    #22, Maybe my situation is different, but my DH helps make mama cloth at times. He’s also had conversations with other men about it, lol. He’s a good promoter though πŸ˜‰

    #36, that is hilarious!

  42. Aj says:

    Ha ha, Redhead πŸ™‚ I noticed that a while ago, but not everyones does it.

  43. Leah says:

    My husband showed my cloth pads to his mom and all his sisters. He isn’t grossed out by them at all, he thinks they’re cool. But he is weird and not like normal men in a lot of ways. lol He was talking on the phone to his mom last night about her checking her own cervix when she was pregnant. (O_o)

  44. smartassmama says:

    My MIL probably thinks a cervix is a shape instead of a body part.

    Is there anything telling on my Hovercard? I don’t think there is, but I can’t get them to show up on here.

  45. amessymama says:

    SAM, your hovercard just says this:

    a little speck on the map between Memphis & Paducah, near the lovely Mississippi.

    I’m a mom. I’m a wife. I’m a cynic.

  46. startiger0607 says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong. But isn’t that the same WAHM posted about on CDN last month? Something about her using someones stuff for someone else custom?

  47. DSDM2 says:

    Whitney, the photos were posted on a public board, that anyone could see, and when you do that, they are free for anyone to repost, talk about or use. This blog is not taking credit for the photos, nor claiming them as our own, we have them with your name which means you get credit for them. If you choose to break the links, they will eventually show as blank here too.

    Mamato3, We did no such thing. This blog gets far fewer hits then diaperswappers does, and she posted the photos there in a public user group that anyone, a member or not, can see. If there were a child in danger, it was Whitney who put the child in that position by posting the photos. FWIW, there ARE pedophiles on diaperswappers, and that is an ongoing problem there, one which is well known.

    To everyone, if you are concerned about safety of a child, or yourself, evaluate what you post online.

  48. DSDM2 says:

    startiger, yes I was just sent the thread from CDN. It is a very long one.

    Apparently the WAHM used someones materials, threatened to sue, and ruined someones materials.

  49. smartassmama says:

    I’d think that pedophiles would be more inclined to go straight to a source for kid images, like diaperswappers, rather than a blog about the place. If it matters to you, they don’t show up here anymore.

    When I saw the pictures, they were very small (on my phone) so I didn’t really see the fabric combination. But the ones that were linked here were, uh, eccentric. If you had a good experience with her, then it really sounds like you’re the lucky one.

  50. sourpatchbabe says:

    Yeah, because we all know that pedophiles get all hot and heavy reading about men using mamacloth.

  51. Syrinx says:

    I’m having a hard time understanding how a moderator, who should understand that DS is a public site where anything posted can be read by anyone, is having an issue when SHE was the one who posted them in the first place. It’s not like someone hacked her private photobucket account, copied the pictures and reposted. Sheeesh.

  52. Redhead says:

    Sum peepls jest gotz de dumbz…

  53. smartassmama says:

    Duh! Now I realize why she had a good experience. If I was in the business of producing poorly put together items, I’d probably take my time for a Mod, especially the WAHM mom.

    Honestly, I’d not even noticed Whitney was a mod until now. I’ve always liked what she and Mamato3 have to say, but all that is done here is copy and paste, straight from the threads.

  54. Messy says:


  55. Messy says:

    Ok, Whitney is here?
    Dear Whitney,
    While your daughter is adorable, that badly sewn monstrosity of bad WAHMship rave does not reflect decent taste in clothing. Do you not look through Very Chick Baby’s work? She seriously sucks. She doesn’t get better, she just sucks more.
    Then you wahhh about someone saying everyone has different taste in what they consider “good sewing”. Well, Sweet Cheeks Whitney, you obviously are drinking from the Boones Farm of WAHMs. Even the posts VCB made with pics of YOUR DRESS on them point out the flaws.
    White thread? VCB has it!
    Bad taste? You got it!
    Bad WAHMship? VCB got it!
    Fuckered up dress? You got it!
    All I need to now say is, RIP Spongebob, Patrick, and Hungry Caterpillar ;*(
    You will be missed.

  56. Messy says:

    Oh, and Jenny Lasater, your passive aggressive facebook postings just make you look more stupid. I bet you wonder how many links you are in on facebook where people are sharing pics of you shittastic work! Yeah… You are getting around like a STD at a Las Vegas frat reunion!
    Nobody gives a flip about your pink sweater.
    It is like you are showing us the “fresh meat” before you slaughter it and make it horrible 😦 poor sweater!

  57. Kristen says:

    55. You forgot James.

  58. ktwb says:

    Messy, I love you.

  59. Messy says:

    Very Chic Baby.
    My bad. Want to make sure I spell “Very Chic Baby” correctly so she can find this on a google of herself in years to come.

  60. Messy says:


  61. Messy says:

    How do I send regretsy pics of Very Chic Baby’s work? I gotta do it… C’mon, you know it would be the best of 2011!
    Off to try to figure out how to nominate/turn in this crazy bitch with skills of a preschooler for WAHM of the Regretsy Year πŸ™‚

  62. Redhead says:

    Is VCB on Etsy?

  63. Amazed says:

    Wow, you guys/gals are really amazing. Totally trashing someone and their work behind the anonymity of the internet. Classy.

  64. BoogyWoman says:

    hideous hideous monstrosities! my 8yr old could sew better than VCB

  65. Tired says:

    The few things posted on Etsy aren’t terrible. No sheet dresses to be found there. I’m confused about the pedophile thing…it’s OK to post on DS, it’s OK to post on your OWN BLOG, but it’s not OK to post on this blog because it’s putting a child in danger because of dangerous pedophiles.

  66. melmelly says:

    Wow Messy. You’re gone for a long time and then go come back like this? You know it’s one thing to bash someone, but it’s another to go into overkill. I don’t care if you’ve had an experience with her or not, I have just seen pEople get completely trashed on by you.

    I have heard something circulating around that a child possibly helps with the VBC sewing, and if that’s the case, then maybe some of us are being to harsh. And please, no one say, “well my child can sew better than that.” Good for you and your child!

  67. DoubleRainbow says:

    I just have to say that I am a WAHM and I DON’T do applique because I AM NOT GOOD AT IT!!! I have been asked to do a custom applique or two and I politely turned down the request and directed them to someone more skilled in such endeavors. Perhaps VCB should have the same decency (RIP Spongebob LOL) Some of her dresses don’t look THAT bad but I think she should know her limits…

  68. Aj says:

    Messy, glad to have you back.

    melmelly, get over it.

  69. usmc_wifey_1345 says:

    #64 — VCB knows there are issues and could address them if she wanted. She has chosen not to. Honestly I know virtually nothing about sewing except what I see in person — I’m just not crafty that way. However even *I* think her work speaks for itself… Just saying.

  70. Redhead says:

    I think going to Regretsy is way over the top. Nothing VCB has on Etsy looks awful. As far as I know, Regretsy only pulls *current* Etsy listings.

  71. Sala says:

    #68. Well, here’s a big clue – if you’re relying on your child to do some of your sewing, you’ve taken on too much. At $25 a pop, I don’t expect any great shakes of a garment. But straight seams, maybe even colored thread (matching too much to ask for?), I do expect that. Hems the same height. No tension problems with the serging. Rolled hems, not plain serged ones.

    If she’s having a kid do the sewing, for one she’s LYING to her customer base, many of whom would not want an inexperienced child working on their items that they’re paying good money for. Alternately, she’s not very good at what she does or has really lax standards on what she’s sending out. Because either the work is shitty because she’s having a child do it or the work is shitty because she’s crappy at sewing. Regardless of why, the garments look shitty.

  72. melmelly says:

    I think my words were misunderstood. Aj, I have nothing to get over, but thanks for being concerned. :thumbs up:

    Sala, I wasn’t sticking up for her sewing, just trying to say maybe some shouldn’t be so harsh if a child is helping with the sewing. I sew, and I can see all the “wrongs” in the pictures she has on her FB. Constructive criticism would be very helpful to VCB, and she also needs to state that a child is helping her – if that is the case.

    And I find Messy to be disgusting with the way she comes back in her and just flies off the handle. Glad to see some things don’t change. /sarcasm

  73. Sala says:

    Here’s the thing, though. If it was your kid or my kid and we posted pics of the things our darlings had made, we’d get all sorts of awws and ohs. Because it’s cute.

    But what I don’t find cute is passing off a child’s work as sales-worthy. Especially when you only blame crap work on your kid when a customer complains and otherwise take credit for the kid’s work. Frankly, if a kid is doing the work, she has more problems than a few people bashing her sewing online. Namely her mom is using her for child-labor and taking the credit for her work and probably all the money, too.

    Besides, VCB doesn’t want constructive criticism. She’s deleting anything that smacks of any criticism off of FB.

    Constructive criticism: serging is not a decorative edge treatment. There are more colors of thread than white. Learn to measure, cut straight, sew straight. Press the darned garments before you take pictures. Stop hiding behind work you say your ‘kid’ did. Learn how to cut things out neatly. Learn how to applique correctly. Don’t sew and sell shit that’s maaaaaaaaaaybe 2nds quality as first.

  74. Leah says:

    Well, customers can see her work before they buy and if they want to pay for the dresses then that’s their choice. At least she makes something other than those hideous pillowcase dresses that everyone whose granny gave them a sewing machine thinks they can charge 20 bucks a piece for on Etsy.

  75. Messy says:

    #64 Amazed: Yes. I only get chitty over here ‘cuz I can say what I want to and nobody knows who I am!!! It makes it so much easier. So be careful, you have no idea who I am :::cue suspenseful elevator music:::
    #68 Mel: Guess what? If her kid is sewing then I don’t find that cute at all. I find it really bizarre. Customers do not find another child’s sewing to be “cute” when they are buying from her. However, it is a line of chit anyhow. She blames her kid when someone complains. Unless her kid sews just like her screwed up mama, then nobody else is helping.

  76. twiddling*thumbs says:

    I wouldn’t buy her stuff personally, not my cup of tea. BUT there are plenty who have and based on the feedback, most are happy. Everything you have pointed out is obvious for all to see and yet she still makes sales. Why does everyone really care so much what this one person is doing?

  77. Messy says:

    #75 Mel: Gosh I am sorry. What should I have come back HERE to do? Spread rainbows and sunshine? WTF?
    Glad to know I disgust you :goodvibes: I just hope your next custom is done by the WAHM’s “daughter”.

  78. melmelly says:

    Sala, that is exactly what I think. I am on my phone, so I hate doing long replies on here. Leah, EXACTLY!

  79. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    77- Well said. A handful of people keep saying this, and it keeps being passed over. When buying online LOOK AT WHAT YOU’RE BUYING! You think her stuff looks like junk? Skip her! It’s common knowledge that you can find at least 15 other vendors who make the EXACT SAME THING on any given day. Why just sit and continue to berate and get personally insulting. Apply your opinion where applicable, then move along. Once people keep hounding it begins to stink of a mob.

  80. melmelly says:

    Sorry to disappoint you, Messy. No girls, so no need for dresses. And if I did, I would either do it myself, or have a local WAHM do it for me. I have seen her work, known her for years, and would prefer to support locally.

  81. Messy says:

    If you are here to handslap and tell people to stop talking about something, then WTF are you doing here? Seriously. Read the name of the blog.
    I do not care if you don’t like what I have to say. I will say what I want to. But thanks for your opinion… not really. I am being sarcastic, I don’t really care if you are here to handslap.

  82. Messy says:

    #83 Mel: I hear she has some shoes for your boys! Spongebob and The Hungry Caterpillar are hot these days!

  83. amessymama says:

    Deviate-I go back and forth with this. To me, if you see how bad the crap is and buy it anyway, you deserve it.

    What pisses me off, is the people who buy it, see it, then rave it! People that don’t know any better think it is quality and buy it. I’ve seen certain people, who are *known* for buying quality items from other WAHMs, rave her stuff. They are lying! I’ve seen how bad it was in a photo, they have to see how bad it is IRL. They must be “friends”. And I guess it would be difficult to resell if you told everyone how bad it actually is. πŸ˜‰

    I know it’s hard to leave a negative. But to out and out lie and rave, when we can tell from pictures that it is sewn horribly, is just wrong. I think it upsets people to know they could fall into the trap of buying her stuff.

    Plus we all know it takes “one” person to rave something on Extra Fluffy before the masses want to copy and have the same thing for their babe.

  84. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Messy, I’m not trying to hand-slap. I just don’t see the point. A lot of the posts here have gone way beyond, “Yeah, um, that looks AWFUL! She’s selling that for HOW MUCH? My cousin’s blind, drunken pet monkey knows better,” to being beyond nasty and further berating and personally attacking her. Yeah, the work sucks. It’s obvious. But why the hatred? She’s already been ground into a bloody pulp for a week on CDN, and her name was Google-able by this post from the very top (See DSDM’s tags on it).

    86- I agree entirely. I’m a stickler for absolute honest feedback, “friends” or not. Obvious crap raves are stupid. They make the poster look dumb, and it’s sad when people believe them, receive crap work, then think, “Well, so-and-so said she was THE BEST, so I guess this is what WAHM-made looks like.” Kinda’ like what Rainbow Waters has turned into.

  85. usmc_wifey_1345 says:

    #82 — then you have people like me, who can only tell crappy work in person while looking at it instead of from pictures that are made to have the item looking it’s best. The only think I could tell from a pic by myself was that the hem lines don’t look straight (but me being a completely crafty illiterate would chalk it up to how the dress is laying in the pics). I could also tell the applique’s were, at best, terrible renditions of popular characters. They didn’t look straight, or sewn on properly. The rest? Had to be shown to me. I DON’T know what to look for in pics. So I would have been completely dooped had I purchased from her. Until I got the product in hand and I woulda been like wtf? And if she wants to pull the “oh I’ll sue you” part to me b/c I was unhappy, I’d tripple dog dare her. She has NO idea who she is dealing with. Bring it.

    ANYTHING can be made to look awesome in pics with placement of said item, cropping and photoshop. And I think we ALL know that.

  86. S. says:

    I missed the thing on CDN. Link anyone? Or if it isn’t there anymore what happened?

  87. Messy says:

    S. it is in GBU. I think that is an opt in area, so no link. And it is there because threads don’t disappear on CDN.

  88. startiger0607 says:

    #89, I don’t think the thread is there anymore. I looked for it when I first read this and it’s no where to be seen. I guess a friend of hers asked her to make some stuff and she may have used that stuff for someone else? Then I think the said friend got a dress that was coming apart or something like that.

  89. Messy says:

    #91 IT IS THERE! Seriously, I am looking at it. It is in GBU. CDN does NOT delete threads.

  90. ladylili says:

    The thread on CDN is still there.

  91. Sala says:

    Not entirely true, Messy. CDN has on occasion moved threads into an admin only area so for all intents and purposes deleted them. However I can only think of maybe a half dozen times if that in the last year or so. But in general if you say it, it stays.

  92. incognizable says:

    AWE MESSY ❀ you iz back!!

    VCB, failed to disclose that she has her daughter sewing and or helping in her customs and in doing so ruined a customers fabric. That is scamming in my eyes.

    When I enter a custom with "enter very well known WAHM name here". I am entering the contract with her and only her, unless she states that she has help, either on her website or in her communications with me. I am on the assumption that she does the work personally.

    Trust me if any of the WAHMs I do business with told me that their child would be working on my knitting or sewing custom with my expensive yarn or fabric, without seeing their childs previous work, I would back out ASAP. Nothing against the child, but in that case I might as well knit or sew it myself and ruin it and call it day.

    Failing to inform or disclose to the customer of this HUGE detail is scammish to say the least.

  93. BoogyWoman says:

    I agree with what incognizable said.

    And the thread is still there. We are big girls there and don’t delete things cause they aren’t all sunshine and roses.

  94. usmc_wifey says:

    #94 — only the illegal activity ones. They don’t move them just b/c we have an opinion in opposition to whoever the OP is….

  95. melmelly says:

    Stating in a roundabout way that she does have help:
    Hi! I am Jenny Lasater, the owner & designer for VeryChicBaby! This is definitely a family affair, I am a stay at home Mom to 4 kids & each one contributes to VCB in their own helpful & special way! I love coming up with new ideas & fun things for kids & their familes.

  96. usmc_wifey says:

    #98 — and you really think that’s acceptable??? Really??? PULEASE! Keep reaching….. In my world, round about = hiding something = dishonest.

  97. Flat Stainley says:

    Um, yeah. If VCB is letting her kids cut & sew, she should be doing QC before it goes out AT THE VERY LEAST. Checking with customers first to see if they are okay with her kids learning on their materials would be a good idea too.

  98. melmelly says:

    99. I never said it was acceptable. I was simply showing that she has posted on her HC that her 4 kids “contributes to VCB in their own helpful & special way”, which is not scammerish to me. If someone is sending VCB expensive fabric (which, I have no idea WHY someone would trust her with that if they have already seen the butchering she has done to other stuff), they should be asking the necessary questions.

    My cousin makes and sells dryer balls. She has stated on her site in several places that her kids have helped her wrap the balls. In my shop, I have stated that I am the only one running things – I don’t have my boys help me cut, iron, sew, etc.

    So, I don’t think she is being dishonest if she has that stated on HC. Yes, she has help. What kind of help? We don’t know the answer to that question. Maybe someone who likes her FB page should ask, and ask for clearer wording in what she already has written.

  99. usmc_wifey says:

    #99 Meh… sounds like more reasons to blame the victim and NOT the person actually responsible. It’s not the consumers JOB to read between the lines of a shady description. You know there was a day when “tactful wording” and “precisely placed garmets for pictures” was the death of a business and for good reason. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. If she’s all proud of her “4 kids contributing in their own helpful and special way[s]” then please, pray tel, why would she not LIST said “ways” in which they help? Me thinks b/c she is trying to make herself out to be something she is not. And honestly, Why isn’t SHE out here and other places defending herself? She has to send her “buddies” out to do it for her?

  100. melmelly says:

    It’s not reading between the lines. I don’t know her, didn’t know of her until a few days ago when all of this started to hit the fan, and I am in no way a “fan” or “buddy” of hers.

  101. Flat Stainley says:

    Uh, I’m pretty sure melmelly’s point was ‘STFU and grow up, already’. What are we, in grade 3? Sure, said wahm has some shit to contend with, but the whole ‘hack her till she’s dead’ is so old.

  102. melmelly says:

    And it’s not blaming a “victim”. If a person is wanting a custom, they need to do their own homework first about what they want, and how they want it to look. She has plenty of pictures up that look like very shoddy workmanship, so people can’t play/claim/cry “victim” if their item looks like shit.

    As a WAHM, when I have done customs for people, I have a very detailed list of what they want done, how they want it, etc. And then I make sure to take detailed pics with close-ups to send to them before I will accept. I am very picky about how my stuff looks, and honestly, I wouldn’t even be caught dead with something like hers in my possession. I can honestly say my sewing has never looked that horrible, even when I was learning how to machine sew at 10yrs old.

    And she is not the only WAHP out there with a badly written “about me” type section. When I read anything poorly written by a WAHP, I cringe…and I know I am not the only one.

  103. Flat Stainley says:

    Are all these horrid pics on her FB also available to buyers on HC?

  104. melmelly says:

    It looks like she has removed her “about me” and the pic of her and her four kids.

  105. startiger0607 says:

    Messy, they must have moved it there then. I distinctly remember it being in WWYD.

  106. incognizable says:

    I “think” the CDN thread was moved into GoodBadUgly when a lawsuit was threatened against the board, by VCB? Someone correct me if I’m wrong. I think they also said she has friends reading and passing her (mis)info from the CDN thread.

    Who knows? She is on my do not BST list, even before this mess, I would NOT buy from her based on her pictures of past work.

  107. volbaby07 says:

    108, It is still there! It is in GBU now cause that is where it belonged. It was moved not deleted. CDN does NOT delete threads! What part of that don’t you understand?

  108. Redhead says:

    108 was replying to Messy who said the thread was in GBU. She understands where it is.

  109. DC says:

    It’s about time ppl started being honest in their feedback and outing VCB -Jenny Lasater so she can be stopped from ripping ppl off! Too many ppl were afraid of retaliation from DS Mods who are in her back pocket – not fair to unsuspecting buyers who are getting ripped off!

    Tell the TRUTH – her work truly sucks and her customer service is aggressive, repulsive and dishonest.

  110. Valerie says:

    102: She is not out here because she had a baby last week. Her family is more important than dealing with all of this in my opinion.

  111. DC says:

    You know what, Valerie? Many of the folks she sells to just had babies, too. That is a really crappy response – a pity plea to get folks to back off. Her family is important, but BEING HONEST is just as important. She should be willing to fix problems when they arise – not put a guilt trip on ppl because she is ‘having a baby’ through one of her friends who wants to cover her back.

    Instead of lying to people or just flat out telling them she won’t fix the problems, she needs to say sorry and replace the items that are crappy, send the things she didn’t send that she already got her trades for, and set a better example for her family if they are so important to her.

    What about the people who traded with her for their new baby outfit and wound up with nothing to bring their baby home from the hospital in? Hmmm, what about them? Jenny got her trades for her baby, but the others she trades with are just supposed to be out the items and let her get away with stealing?

    Her customers are the victims here. No one wants a witch hunt or to hurt anyone – they just want what they paid for and traded for. THEY are the victims, not Jenny. Jenny KNEW what she was doing and has been doing for quite some time. Its just plain wrong.

    If you really want to help her – get her to be honest and make good all the bad transactions she’s had with everyone. You can tell by the posts that she is a hit and run train wreck and someone has to put on the brakes. Will that be you? Do you care enough to help her do the right thing? I sure hope she isn’t teaching her brand of ethics to her kids!

  112. Messy says:

    #112 How strange! She is not here ‘cuz she just had a baby? But she has plenty of time to remove comments, delete pictures, and start passive aggressive bull chit on facebook! Wow! That is one “dedicated to her babymoon” mama!
    But thanks for playing Valerie! Your dedication will be duly noted!

  113. DSDM2 says:

    She is not out here, because as she has told others, she refuses to deal with this on a public board and is closing shop for a while.

    I for one don’t believe it. She lied, bullied, screwed her business, and got caught. She isn’t woman enough to deal with the mess she made for herself. She even blames it on her children.

  114. sourpatchbabe says:

    Isn’t this cute, she posts on the pregnancy board asking if anyone is not going to BF and then tells them all that if they misbehave she’s going to delete the thread. I needed that laugh today

  115. smartassmama says:

    What a dumbass. She’s not new, so she just must be dumb.

  116. usmc_wifey says:

    #113 — but she CAN take the time to post Passive Aggressive posts/pics on FB? Hummm interesting…

    #116 — I wouldn’t want to do it on a public forum either if I had done what she has to buyers and had the quality of work she does….

  117. mom2js says:

    Why are threads being moved

    “Seriously mama, no one is picking on you. There are WAY to many members, to few mods and I dont think someone is going to take the time to weed through all the posts just to move them to piss you off.

    Locking this for now. Please dont start a new thread, the disrespect for the mod team is getting out of hand. ”

    emphasis on **the disrespect for the mod team is getting out of hand**

  118. usmc_wifey says:

    #120 — who knows… maybe they lock threads once they realize they can’t control opinions of other people that don’t match with their “mod team”? I mean really… If they consider THAT disrespect then they really need to reevaluate their controlling ways…

  119. Redhead says:

    120- Gag!

  120. nmratliff says:

    hahaha that was me who got that thread locked. Apparently I was disrespectful to the mods. There’s actually a whole back story though to her reply to me, and she was being flat out rude. I thought the whole thread was fine until she butted in personally.

  121. justme says:

    #120- if they are so short staffed, why do they even care where the yarn threads go? I mean they should be spending their limited resources working on virus’s, scammers and pedophiles.

  122. Mimsee says:

    Okay, so I just found out I am expecting #3. I am thinking of cloth diapering and know absolutely ZERO about it. So I joined the DiaperSwapper thread and while searching for it, I came upon this blog. I must say I am now thinking I shouldn’t even consider buying anything from there! You all have scared me!LOL Is there any other place that would be good for buying some used things? Thanks!

  123. JustMe says:

    IMHO, DS isn’t any more prone to scamming or bad transactions than anywhere else. There are tons and tons of great mamas on there, and the bad transactions that do happen are usually just miscommunications.

  124. Messy says:
    It is not that it is perfect over there. But things are more out in the open and people are free to say what they think and admin goes to great lengths to keep scammers and potential scammers from doing it πŸ™‚

  125. amessymama says:

    125-Just look at pictures closely and ask questions. What I did was hang out for a bit, look things over and get to know the products I was considering. Read the transaction and feedback section and you’ll see the general opinions of what people expect when buying used.

    It took me a couple of months to actually purchase from someone. And that purchase was probably the best diapering purchase I have ever made.

    Definitely try the link messy posted above. It’s a much smaller group, so less overwhelming. The FSOT boards are much slower but the board, as a whole, has a much more personal feel to it. We’ll take care of you. πŸ™‚

  126. Leah says:

    I have been buying on DS for almost 4 years and never had a problem. *knock on wood* Just use common sense and read feedback.

  127. amessymama says:

    130-I’m *almost* positive the seller is Olivia’s momma. A person on another board I’m on had a very similar situation with her.

    Her stuff is crap and it’s obvious from the pics she has in her WAHM wares thread so I don’t know why people are buying it! I guess you can’t pass up BOGO deals! Her stuff may even be worse than VCB’s stuff or it’s just more noticeable because it’s knit instead of woven.

    Olivia’s momma and VCB should start a collab together and call it “Shit we make that people buy”

    Imagine all the raves they’ll get. Ugg!

  128. amessymama says:

    Click on the 6-12 month pink brown heart shirt and look closely at the seams near the wrist. She uses the same “technique” as VCB.

    I’d link to the other shirts because she had close-up pics of the *many* flaws but I don’t want to bring drama to that board.

  129. hrm's mom says:

    132 I kind of think the shirts are ugly anyway without the sewing issues. The neckline is way to big for a child and they look sloppy, IMO.

  130. Mimsee says:

    Thanks! I am glad to know that some of you have successfully received things from there. I have already met some really nice people, but I will just keep getting to know everyone better before I decide to do anything more!!

  131. amessymama says:

    I know! I hate big necked shirts, it’s a huge pet peeve of mine. Raglans tend to look like they have larger necks anyway but hers are gargantuan! If they’re done by someone who knows what they’re doing they look fine.

  132. Leah says:

    I actually bought some wipes from ‘Livia’s Room. I don’t like those raglan type and I could tell they weren’t the best sewing but I figure you can’t go wrong with wipes and they were a really good deal. My 4 yr old daughter loves them (she likes that they are soft and squishy like my mama cloth) and she finally wipes her own butt so it was a win for me. lol

  133. Leah says:

    *shirts. Raglan shirts.

  134. Redhead says:

    Olivia’s Momma is Sunshine74 here on the blog… πŸ˜€

  135. Leah says:

    You know I don’t really see the need to jump all over somebody for making something you don’t like the look of. If their work is clearly displayed and they aren’t hiding anything or charging outrageous amounts then I don’t see what the problem is. There was a long thread not long ago in Extra Fluffy about how crappy WAHM’s bring down the whole business because people expect every one to be cheap but I don’t agree. I can’t afford really expensive wool or really expensive anything for that matter so if I can find a good deal on something that is not terrible quality then I am more than happy to leave the super beautiful work for someone who can afford it. And I’m not going to complain that my $20 purchase isn’t up to the same standards as some other mamas $100 product.

  136. amessymama says:

    The look of something is one thing! There are plenty of things I don’t like the look of.

    About a year ago or so there was a mama that made something that everybody on EF was talking about. People were raving them like crazy. I thought they were pretty ugly, not my style. I didn’t bring it here or anywhere because it was a matter of taste. I actually ordered something else from this person that I liked the style of. It was sewn impeccably! Not a flaw to be seen. It is one of my favorite things I have for my DD. Of course, I raved her because of the quality of her work. Oh and it was very reasonably priced!! Maybe too reasonable. I’m sure she could charge more.

    If it looks like it is sewn badly then I’ll make a comment. But I do still wonder, if someone sees how bad it is and still buys it, then really who is to blame?

    It’s also been brought out that a lot of people can’t see the flaws until they get in their hands. You can *usually* hide things in pictures.

    And I’ll agree, her wipes do look great! Her shirts do not. There’s a lot more involved in sewing a shirt than there is in serging 2 squares together.

  137. amessymama says:

    138-Like I said I am *almost* positive it’s her, I could be wrong. Maybe she’ll let us know. πŸ™‚

    I still think her shirts are poor quality no matter how cheap they are. Maybe she can take a break from selling shirts and try to improve her skills. Then try again later.

  138. Redhead says:

    ehh, her wipes look like they have 6 sides on some of them. But if you’re cool with that, I don’t care.

  139. sunshine74 says:

    Yup, its me. The poster is flat-out lying about some things, and in all honestly, is someone expects an item that looks like it was from Walmart, wants to pay Walmart prices, then they just should GO to Walmart. JMO.

  140. DoubleRainbow says:

    ohhh yeah didn’t we have a discussion about Olivia’s Momma a while back? About her non-square wipes?

    She had a disclaimer in her WAHM listing that said, “Wipes and shirts are cut and sewn by hand. Sizes are approximate, and as they are handmade items, flaws may be present. If you feel that your purchased item is flawed to the point of dysfunctional, you may return it for a refund, shipping at your expense.”

  141. DC says:

    Oh my gosh, cracking up with laughter over the Wal Mart post πŸ˜‰ So sad, but true. When we are buying from a WAHM we have done a lot of research and want the ‘something special’ that she makes. We expect better than a low end make-do item, and we at least expect to get it. What really frosts me is when the items paid for or traded for don’t even come!

  142. JustMe says:

    After that thread, she asked for advice on her policy and revised them completely. After participating in that discussion, I don’t think she meant to phrase that the way she did, and she was very open to constructive criticism.

  143. JustMe says:

    Sorry, that was re:144, and I’m exhausted, so please excuse the typos.

  144. sourpatchbabe says: I would not have agreed to pay $5 an item for used children’s clothing. Especially when a lot of it looks to be faded/stained.

  145. Leah says:

    148- For realz. I can get Gap and Old Navy at my Goodwill for $2 a piece and I get to actually see it before I buy it. I hate buying used kids clothes online unless it’s EUC, stains and wear just don’t show up in pictures that well sometimes.

  146. amessymama says:

    sunshine74-I’d love to hear you explain why you left retaliatory feedback for the 2 mamas that YOU sent botched fabric to.

    You’re a freakin skank as far as I’m concerned!

    The person from post 130 hasn’t even left feedback and the other women only left a neutral.

  147. amessymama says:

    I just thought of something. I guess it can’t be retaliatory if feedback wasn’t left yet. We’ll just call that one preemptive.

  148. smartassmama says:

    Welllll. Imagine that, the thread in 130 disappeared. I wonder if Olivias momma had a hand in that?

    Wow though. Wow. You leave [retaliatory] negative feedback for a BUYER who you screwed? That’s really sad. True, the transaction was negative. But it was you that made it negative. πŸ˜‰

  149. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Why was the thread deleted,the op said that the wahm was willing to work with her and make it better? Why would you leave negative feedback for someone that YOU sent wonky clothes too? No one outed her on ds and it looked like the wahm was making good on it if the op wanted.

  150. werd says:

    holy overreaction batman… who is the psychotic seller?!

  151. amessymama says:

    They removed the other mama’s negative FB too. I’m actually surprised, I thought they just changed it to neutral. So, good for DS on that one!

    Now they just need to remove olivia’s mamma from the board all together!!!

    Someone mentioned in thread from 130 that DS should have a system in place where prospective sellers should send their items somewhere to be inspected before they are allowed to sell in WAHM wares. I think that is a great idea.

    I guess that’s what testers are technically for. But I think most people are testers just to get a discounted product and/or they’re friends of the testees (hee hee testis πŸ˜€ ) and won’t leave truthful FB. Then of course there are the sellers that won’t listen to criticism anyway. Cough, Olivia’s mamma, cough Very Chic Baby, cough!

    Just DON”T send them to Whitney Walters to critique since, apparently, she doesn’t care if the clothes she buys are made crappy.

  152. smartassmama says:

    Ok. The seller in 134 is nutballs. Unless the OP left out saying that she was going to blow up her car or egg her house, she was not harassing her. What a basket case.

  153. Pork Slapper says:

    Can anyone explain to me how someone can get so worked up over their child’s photo being online when they have their full name AND location disclosed? Oh yeah, and their child’s photo posted publicly?

    What a twunt.

  154. thewitch says:

    Re #154 I want to know too, Werd so I can avoid her like the plague. What a psychopath. Anyone have insider info? I can’t figure out who it is.

  155. thismelrocks says:

    Well if this doesn’t reek of self inflicted, everyone look at me then I don’t know what does. :rollseyes: Seriously, 4th degree burns!

  156. hrm's mom says:

    160- um no she fell asleep and some how her arm ended up on the counter with the curling iron, Hello. I mean haven’t you fallen asleep and gotten 3 burns on your arm before. Those things should be recalled!!

    I know she is already getting help but I think she needs some more.

  157. thismelrocks says:

    Oh that’s right asleep. I’m confused, did she fall asleep in the bathroom? She said it was on the counter. Does she have a counter in her bedroom?

    In all seriousness though. If she really did fall asleep and get burns that bad, how on earth would she wake up if something was going on with her DD. Those are some scary meds if that is the case.

  158. hrm's mom says:

    oh I am being serious I think she needs more help than she is getting. You are right what happens if she does not wake up for her DD. Gosh my DH sleeps like that without any meds and I would not like for him to be left alone with our children at night. He just does not hear things I do.

  159. sourpatchbabe says:

    As soon as I saw who was the OP of that thread, I ignored it completely. It seems as though every couple of months there is new drama of some sort happening to her. My life is NOT drama free at all but even I can’t see how all these horrible horrible things could happen to one person in such a short time.

  160. DSDM2 says:

    I call bullshit on the OP in that thread.

  161. Redhead says:

    who is it? I can’t see the thread.

  162. smartassmama says:

    Ummmm. I think she’s far to cavalier about it if it’s that bad.

    “And that’s all I have to say about thaaat.”

  163. DSDM2 says:

    Well, it would mean that the burn is through all layers of skin, down to the bone and ligaments, and that it requires surgery to fix.

  164. DSDM2 says:


  165. sourpatchbabe says:

    Redhead it’s Tiffany/equivocal. Apparently she waited to have an appt with her PCP and was told to do tylenol if she couldn’t handle the pain. This part of her post:

    “Oh, and I told my therapist about it (I just told her that I had an accident and was severely burnt) and she said she’d have one of the on-site clinic physician’s look at it today at my appointment”

    makes me wonder if the “on-site clinic physicians” that will look at it are going to be those nice guys that give away free white jackets to their patients.

  166. dundundun says:

    She must be on some SERIOUS sleeping pills if she can lay her arm across a friggin curling iron and not wake up immediately.

  167. werd says:

    what a freaking NUT! I got a second degree burn from the oven on my arm… like, I was pulling something out and my arm touched the HEATING ELEMENT. It was EXCRUCIATING! I ended up having to go to the ER and they gave me darvocet and antibiotics… and I now have a gnarly scar on my arm that makes me look like I tried to slit my wrists and missed or something. BULLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIT!

  168. werd says:

    not to mention, anything in 3rd or 4th degree is a painless burn, because all the nerves have been seared!

  169. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    173- Exactly what I was going to mention. I have read many times that 3rd degree burns are actually the least painful because the nerve endings are burned off.

  170. DSDM2 says:

    You are correct, once the burning is over, the 3rd and 4th are painless. To get to that point though would be significantly more painful. 4th degree means they can’t close the wound because the skin is not repairable and the burn is to the bone… It requires surgery, grafts, and amputation sometimes.

    I call bull shit on a little cream and a wrap. That is what you do for a second degree burn with a blister.

  171. werd says:

    my god, you’d think she’d be smart enough to GOOGLE before she posted that OMGZ NEED ATTENTION STARRRRRVING thread.

  172. rella says:

    Ummm anyone have dirt on diapeydoodiapers?? happymom83 on DS?? She answered an ISO of mine for boyish fitteds. Offered 10 custom snappiable OS fitteds for $100… Now I’m starting to read bad things on WHAM feedback on FB and stuff about the diapers not being absorbent, ect…

    Anyone know anything?

  173. Myself says:

    My son got a second degree burn. I medicated him and took him to the Dr the next day. He had a double ear infection that needed to be seen. Talked to the Dr and he said for a second degree burn you have 24 hour window to be seen. Anyways, he have Silvadine cream and told me to gauze it until it went away.

    Was almost a year ago and he still has a red scar on his leg. ( Point being that it hurt.)

    If she does have a second degree burn, it WOULD hurt but the urgency wouldn’t be there.

  174. sourpatchbabe says:

    I fear that when she realizes that nothing she does is getting the kind of attention she wants, she will start in on her daughter. Wouldn’t put it past someone who is as sick as she to inflict pain on a child just to get attention.

  175. amessymama says:

    177-I’ve seen some not so good things (mostly that they are too thin) but I’ve also seen some raves. Just saw a recent one that was bumped from over a year ago on Extra Fluffy. I would not take a chance on such a large purchase. Maybe order one to test it out?

  176. mamatocuties says:

    Has anyone read the Ollie Oxen Diapers thing on Facebook? it looks like a bunch of moms got scammed and she isn’t responding to anyone.

  177. amessymama says:

    Never even heard of Ollie Oxen diapers.

  178. sourpatchbabe says:

    Ollie Oxen? That sounds like it came from The Oregon Trail game.

  179. mamatocuties says:

    me either, dunno who it is. but it looks like shes on DS and has an Etsy.

  180. werd says:

    an IRL friend of mine bought some Dipey Doo Diapers a while back, and they were horrid. I saw that thread – apparently she has changed how she makes diapers now? I hope so, the diapers that I saw would be more suited as doll diapers… sizing was off, she used crushed panne as the inner, and they were WICKED thin. They literally looked like oversized doll diapers!

  181. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    177- I’ve seen raves, but I’ve seen far more negatives about the diapers. The outer prints are cute, yes, but the inners are a cheap polyester fabric. The soakers are so short they barely cover 3/4’s of the diaper (ever wonder why she NEVER shows photos of the WHOLE inner of her diapers? Just a corner or something, never the whole inner with the soaker snapped in), and the diaper as a whole (soaker included) are so thin, they absorb nothing- literally, when my child peed in them the first time her wore them, it dripped straight through onto the floor. That was because they were so thin AND the soaker is so short and flimsy to begin with. She says she changed her design, but I know multiple people who have purchased her diapers this summer and had the same feelings as I did.
    The thing is this: people don’t say anything about it because 1) they’re inexpensive. Most people suck it up and figure they got what they paid for, just lay in a spare soaker/insert from another diaper and use it, and 2) Naomi is so sweet. Seriously, she’s a nice lady to chat with around the forums, so people feel badly saying, “Look, this diaper I bought was crap. What’s the deal?” They just figure it was inexpensive anyway and they’d feel badly confronting such a sweet person, especially when some people love them! I agree 100% with 180- buy one, try it out and make sure you like the fit and absorbancy before sinking big $$ into a stash-building custom order that you could end up hating. Clearly they’re working for some people, so she’s not going to change now. Maybe you’ll be one of the people they work for. πŸ˜‰

  182. DoubleRainbow says:

    better link πŸ™‚
    Still reading through the discussion…

  183. moxy says:

    Oh, duh. Thanks. πŸ™‚

  184. MOMWITHMANY says:

    She deleted all her posts from that thread a few hours ago. It’s just so sad CPS has already been called and she is working with a therapist ,but it just doesn’t seem to be helping. I am really concerned for both her and her dd.

  185. DSDM2 says:

    Therapy only works if you are honest and want help.

    Tiff-a-loon doesn’t want help, and isn’t honest with herself, or anyone else.

  186. Firemama says:

    Okay, I’m a total lurker here, but that Tiff person posted that she burns herself.

    That coupled with her other post about the curling iron crap makes me wonder why she thinks anyone should take her seriously.

  187. iken says:

    I bought a “dype” by dixon awhile back. It was nothing special.

    At 140 (amessymama) I think I know who you are talking about. I remember the craze.

  188. dundundun says:

    Alright, yeah. She just told on herself.

  189. Amber says:

    #195 – She edited her response… booo.

    I’m worried for her daughter, like another poster said. :-/

  190. Snickerdoodle says:

    DSDM 192- YES absolutely! And sometimes people go to therapy and learn just enough to not change at all and justify everything they do.

  191. Firemama says:

    Yes! I’m so glad that there is a record somewhere that she said it. I’m so sick of things going *poof*.

  192. Amber says:

    Thanks DSDM2! πŸ™‚

  193. erica says:

    didnt read the whole thread, but here are my brand new, unworn shoes from very chic baby, they arent even the same fucking size!!

  194. usmc_wifey says:

    .Oh wow!!! /that is bad! Sorry hun! leave appropriate feedback…

  195. audlovesm5 says:

    OMG!!! Cute, but not sized!! wonky

  196. funkymonster says:

    WOW.. They don’t even look the same size on her facebook.

  197. Mimsee says:

    YIKES! Those are really bad!

  198. smartassmama says:

    Oh wow. how old was the kid who made that pattern?

  199. Tired says:

    I had to go back and look twice at those shoes. It’s a very cute idea, but I am nearly speechless with the way they were made!

  200. amessymama says:

    erica-You can join this facebook group and leave feedback for vcb, I think you can even post pictures.

  201. Amber says:

    #207 – Exactly! Cute idea, but wtf happened?

    Is VCB not seeing that they’re not the same size, or even the same shape?

  202. Leslie says:

    I have 8 fitted diapers that I ordered from diapeydoos about a year ago. I did not have the problems I’ve seen described. They have all held up very well, and while they weren’t SUPER absorbant, they did work well during the day. Overnight I put a thin insert under the one that snaps in with the diaper and it worked great. Maybe things have changed, but I definitely had a positive experience.

  203. Leslie says:

    I just looked at a thread from her most recent customs. Those do NOT look like the soakers that I have with mine. Mine look much thicker and aren’t shaped the same.

  204. Freckleface says:

    RE: Diapeydoo
    So is general consensus to stay away from these or do they look alright to try?
    I see she uses CV as the inners now, was the panne the only issue? Because let’s face it, the crushed panne diapers looked downright cheap. The pics I’m seeing of the ones made with CV look good, though.

  205. S. says:

    RE 212

    We loved ours:)

  206. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I bought some used off the fsot , they were cv inners and knit outers and the soakers matched. They were great I got some bsrb’s with them and I didn’t notice any difference in the absorbency between the two. I used them for about 2 months and sold the because ds kept exploding out of anything other than prefolds,but that wasn’t the diapers fault. I paid $5 a diaper and I thought it was well worth it,but obviously I don’t have any long term experience with them.

  207. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    212- No the CP wasn’t the issue. It’s the lack of absorbency, crappy “soaker” that isn’t even long enough. Just look at her most recent “Craft Chat Show & Tell”- she purposely says she’s showing the WHOLE inner with the soaker snapped in because of the recent discussions. Sad to say, but it’s obvious that despite the fact that she said she remedied the soaker issue, it’s STILL wonky and shorter than the unstretched diaper. :eyetwitch:

    On to other things- anyone notice that CooterShoes is back? She’s knocked-up, too.

  208. Kirsty says:

    Shoot! I can’t search cuz I can’t remember her UN (and I somehow gather the it isn’t Cootershoes lol)

  209. smartassmama says:

    I don’t think she meant on DS. There was a Facebook group link posted here the other day, then bam, she posts there. I couldn’t believe muh eyyyes!

  210. Kirsty says:

    Ahhh! Seen.

    It breeds.

  211. usmc_wifey says:

    Wait, are you talking about crazy Felisha? Is that the same Felisha?

  212. amessymama says:

    215-I saw that too. I feel like telling her that she might get more answers if she tries CDN or DS.
    I thought the WAHM FB was just for leaving feedback, I guess not. She’s getting a lot of suggestions too, maybe they don’t recognize her.

  213. smartassmama says:

    I knew who it was. I wanted to get notification of any replies. :popcorn: style.

  214. smartassmama says:

    Yep. Same person. Same last name, pictures.
    Most people don’t use her first name because there is/was a filter on her first name here.

  215. Messy says:

    Oh! Felishoe is back? Linkies? I ❀ Felishoe dramaz!!!

  216. smartassmama says:

    No drama really, yet. I’ll give her that.
    she was looking for rec’s for fitteds on the WAHM feedback Facebook page.

  217. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    ..Then she deleted her thread. LOL. Luckily the mods in the group keep copies of all threads.
    224- She’s pretty gun-ho with the chat on that group. Keep an eye on there. She already cleared it once when she started drama. She seems to be leeched on it, and we all know CooterShoes: She can’t keep her llama hidden for long.

  218. smartassmama says:

    There’s chat there? I didn’t see that. I had never heard of it until it was posted here.

  219. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    It should be in the lower right-hand corner, and will pop up when active and you’re on the group, as long as you’re logged in to chat on FB in general.

  220. smartassmama says:

    But it’s different than Facebook IM? Neat.

  221. Redhead says:

    I am pretty sure the mods deleted the thread- not Felisha, because the WAHM FB is for factual FB only and no discussions.

  222. smartassmama says:

    That’s true. If she wants rec’s she should post in Diaper Chatter. . . errrr, nope!

  223. S. says:

    There is only one neg feedback on the wahm facebook group for vcb? All the rest are positive? WTH?

  224. amessymama says:

    231-I noticed that. I want to ask her if she feels the sewing is up to par with other WAHMs she’s gotten dresses from and given great reviews for. Although, the 2 dresses she got from VCB are probably the best looking ones in VCB’s gallery of horror. Maybe she just randomly sews well every few years or so. Or these just happened to be set so that the flaws are not seen.

  225. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    229- The admin of the group stated that the author deleted them, not a member of the Admin team.
    230- Oh snap. πŸ˜‰

  226. mmspirit7 says:

    she deleted her thread but I have copies of everything posted there as a cma (cover my ass)

  227. Leah says:

    Going out of context here to say that I really need to find some yarn! I just need a tiny bit of Purewool Blue Sea. My SIL is making some longies for my baby (due next week) and she doesn’t have enough for the cuffs. Apparently at DS you have to have a sellers badge just to post in the ISO forum. 😦

  228. hrm's mom says:

    yeah I don’t get why you would need a sellers thingy for ISO. I mean you are not selling your asking for something. No different than searching for the item, IMO.

  229. shelbell says:

    #235, put the ISO in your siggy, no badge required!

  230. Leah says:

    237- Duh, thank you! I’ll blame pregnancy brain for not thinking of that before. πŸ™‚

  231. try me, i'm new! says:

    maybe the seller badge requirement for ISO is b/c everyone wants to just trade you for their random crap rather than straight up pay for what they want? I am so over posting in the ISO – everytime I answer an ISO, with exactly what the poster wants, they end up going, “nice stuff: :thumbsup: take a look at my IHA and let me know what you like!!! :goodvibes: and then their IHA has, like 2 VHS tapes and some nb sleepers.

  232. dundundun says:

    I love me some crunch drama.

  233. Tired says:

    #240. Me too! In fact, I came here just to see if anyone had posted about it yet. LOL. It’s always something with Crunch!

  234. amessymama says:

    I wanna see!!!

    Link please. πŸ˜€

  235. amessymama says:

    Never mind, found it.

  236. sourpatchbabe says:

    ohh, someone link me to it please?

  237. smartassmama says:

    I thought the whole deal with mommy2gr8kids78 was that she was this all knowing, I’m Catholic, you’re a sinner, saint woman?
    Now she’s had an about face, and knows nothing about being Catholic?

  238. amessymama says:

    245-I don’t remember her ever saying anything that made her sound like she knew much about the Catholic faith. I just think she liked to scream and yell that she was Catholic and offended. She would just say what she felt about something and throw an “I’m Catholic” in there to drive the point home, maybe?

    Nothing she said ever made sense to me. Remember scratched back baby! Wasn’t she the one that said, “it’s something evil lurking in the shadows, I know because I’m Catholic.”

    She does seem like she may know a little about Schizophrenia, though.

    Mostly I think, she’s just started that post so she can find something offensive and start screaming some more. It’s been a while.

  239. reallytiredmommy says:

    I kinda am worried about sundae sprinkles. First she wants to leave her abusive hubby after complaining about her abusive parents. She takes no ones advice. Now she’s on to not feeling sexy enough for abusive husband and wants a labiaplasty. And she wants to get child support for her older child after 7 years of no contact with the guy. If she’s telling the truth I think she needs some help. If not I wish she would go away

  240. Redhead says:

    247, I think she is another crunch

  241. amessymama says:

    I’m gonna agree with Redhead.

  242. smartassmama says:

    Here’s the link.

    And sundae sprinkles, I think in a post today she admits that she’s ‘off’ in the head a smidgen.

  243. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #245- I

  244. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #245- I don’t remember seeing her posts very often,she must post in different places than me. It just seems like she is looking to get reconnected with her faith. I have had times in my life where I felt like I was off track so I can relate.

  245. sourpatchbabe says:

    Wow, I thought she was all that and a bag of chips because she was such a great Catholic. But now I see that she doesn’t even go to church much less pray…

    As far as sprinkles goes, she has got to want to be buddy buddy with crunch. Geez, can you say drama?

  246. smartassmama says:

    I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with being religious! Not at all. Or that there’s anything wrong with her wanting to reconnect. I don’t want to look like a religious basher or anything! πŸ™‚ She just liked to throw it around I guess?

    But the more I read from Sundae Sprinkles, the more I think she’s one scoop short of a sundae.

  247. smartassmama says:

    Ah dammit. That’s what I get for eating yogurt while typing my email address is a digit off. My bad!

    I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with being religious! Not at all. Or that there’s anything wrong with her wanting to reconnect. I don’t want to look like a religious basher or anything! πŸ™‚ She just liked to throw it around I guess?

    But the more I read from Sundae Sprinkles, the more I think she’s one scoop short of a sundae.

  248. smartassmama says:

    I’m an idiot.
    Ah dammit. That’s what I get for eating yogurt while typing my email address is a digit off. My bad!

    I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with being religious! Not at all. Or that there’s anything wrong with her wanting to reconnect. I don’t want to look like a religious basher or anything! πŸ™‚ She just liked to throw it around I guess?

    But the more I read from Sundae Sprinkles, the more I think she’s one scoop short of a sundae.

  249. sourpatchbabe says:

    Well obviously she’s just the sprinkles and is missing the rest of the sundae, lol.

  250. smartassmama says:


  251. smartassmama says:

    I’ve never seen so much talk of hoo-hahs in my life! I’d only read the first 20 or so posts, now I’m just reading it like a science book, with lots of euphemisms.

    I’m just really put off by how she’s having a cosmetic surgery 100% covered by insurance. If it were a medical issue I could understand and be sympathetic. But it’s just a looks thing. I would like to be thinner, but no insurance would ever cover abdominoplasty. it just doesn’t seem *right* to me. :shrug:

  252. smartassmama says:

    I think I may have missed where she explains there is a medical reason? Now I feel like a jackass.

    She still seems like she needs to get her life in order before she does anything medical where other people will need to tend to her kids.

  253. amessymama says:

    She said it’s for medical reasons yet she also said her Dr. says that she doesn’t need it. How does that work?

  254. sourpatchbabe says:

    What I got from it is that the doctor would bill it as medical reason and that’s why the insurance would cover it (since her doctor does it already for medical purposes and it would be 100% covered if she does it there as opposed to going the other route). That is insurance fraud since the doctor has obviously told her that it’s not needed. And dang, having vaginal reconstructive surgery six weeks after giving birth? Heck, I didn’t want anything/anyone near there for longer than that. How did she gt all messed up down there during childbirth? Scratch that, I DON’T want to know anything about her vagina.

    If she’s that discontent with it, she should just get vajazzled.

  255. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #258- You didn’t miss it she said her doctor said she didn’t need it but SHE feels like she needs it. I just have to say the idea of that is so terrifying to me,even stitching up after child birth was scary. But a knife in that area to make it look pretty is just too much for me.

  256. Smartassmama says:

    The way Katedanzer’s post reads, she’s on DS. So I wanna know who, too!

    And I really want to tell lovebeingamommy13 that Ludacris is a person.

    Really? Telling people how to parent makes you a millionaire rapper and actor? Sign me up!Β 

    It’s just ludicrous how irritating she can be.

  257. Julie says:

    @264, it’s “babylove921”
    She outed herself in the thread, and even posted the convo. Which says she feeds her son EVERY THREE HOURS. Not three times a day. :-/

  258. Smartassmama says:

    Yikes. Somebody’s got egg on her face.

  259. usmc_wifey says:

    WOW! That OP seriously has issues and no idea what she is talking about… or she just out and out lied to get attention. Can’t decide which one is worse!

  260. Julie says:

    Yeah… unless the mama in question didn’t post the whole convo, I don’t see where she asked for advice, nor do I see where she says she allows him to CIO.

    After reading the OP, it really seems like OP is blatantly lying to make it seem worse than it really is. :-/

  261. Syrinx says:

    That thread needs to be closed/deleted. What a bunch of BS. I think I just spent far too much time on it. Misunderstanding my boohiney.

  262. aDivasMommy says:

    Sadly, I am the OP.

    Yes, I was wrong for posting that part, and deleted it and now everything is correct.
    A misunderstanding is an understatement for what I read it as instead of understanding what it really said. Oops. No excuse for me. Just plain stupidness, apparently.

  263. Kirsty says:

    269- She said in the thread that she followed babywise. I’m gathering that’s where the CIO idea came from.

  264. BadrocksWife says:

    Keep in mind, this baby is 15 days old, and this was posted about 8 hours ago on her FB page. We all need to quit petting on poor Megs and see her for what she is. Yes there was a misunderstanding, but she still needs to be called out because of her choices. Newborns should not be sleeping for 8 hours no matter how you feed them! Their bellies are not big enough to sustain all night!

    Megan Mclemore
    Asher slept all night 9-5…yippee
    4 hours ago via Mobile Web Β· LikeUnlike Β· Comment Β· View Feedback (11)Hide Feedback (11)

    4 people like this.
    Lena Madden McLemore That’s great! He just needed his Memaw to keep him awake yesterday : )
    2 hours ago Β· LikeUnlike
    Robyn Coleman-Sitzlar Grand Asher! Yea mommy and daddy!!! Sounds like a baby Steffen! Lol!
    2 hours ago Β· LikeUnlike
    Michelle Barry-Sassaman WOW’re a LUCKY 1st time Mommy! lol β™₯
    2 hours ago Β· LikeUnlike
    Ashley Hungerford That’s good. Hopefully this is a good development. However, that amount of time is too long for a newborn to go without eating.
    about an hour ago Β· LikeUnlike
    Jason McLemore Wow…you girls from that stupid diaper diva message board always have something to say about how someone raises their child. Our son is being taken care of. And if within 2 weeks he shows signs of getting on a sleep schedule then so be it.
    33 minutes ago Β· LikeUnlike Β· 1 personLoading…
    Michelle Barry-Sassaman I agree 100% Jason..if he’s hungry, he’s going to wake up and let you know it!! Being a parent has nothing to do with “what the books say”..that stuff drives me NUTS!!
    27 minutes ago Β· LikeUnlike
    Robyn Coleman-Sitzlar All I can say is WOW ….
    18 minutes ago Β· Like

  265. BadrocksWife says:

    and this convo was from about a week ago, so poor baby Asher was only 1 week old!

    Megan Mclemore
    Calling all mommys why won’t Asher sleep in his playpen, crib, carseat… he just wants to sleep with me.. how do I break him of that at a week old?
    34 minutes ago via Mobile Web Β· LikeUnlike Β· Comment

    he spent 9 months close to you, that’s why, silly girl.
    Try sleeping with a receiving blanket of his and laying it on whatever surface you want him to nap in. Your scent will hopefully fool him into thinking you’re nearby. Or, you can get yo…urself a good baby carrier and just hold him close. β™₯See More
    31 minutes ago Β· Like

  266. Julie says:

    I didn’t see where she said she followed baby wise. I see where she said she has a copy of the book, and “it’s up to her if she follows it or not…” but I didn’t see where she said she DOES follow it.

  267. Kirsty says:

    Ok well that’s just a game of semantics. It is unlikely that she would mention it if she didn’t employ the methods. Like if I said I have a copy of Mein Kampf and it’s up to me if I burn crosses in white sheets it’s a logical conclusion that I’m a racist. And she’s right- it’s up to her if she follows it or not. It’s her child and her responsibility to decide.

  268. dundundun says:

    I can’t see the link. Is it an opt-in forum?

  269. Julie says:

    I don’t know the girl, nor do I know her situation… but, the original thread (which has been deleted.) said the mama said she only fed her 2 week old baby 3 times a day, and she let him CIO. Which we all agree is INSANE and CRUEL.
    But then the mama came, outed herself, and copied the conversations. In those conversations, she said she fed him “every three hours or so.” NOT three times a day. And there was nothing said about CIO- but she did go on to say they do NOT let him CIO, and she doesnt know where that came from. She said, “I do have a copy of baby wise, but wether I follow it or not is my business.” (or something of that nature.) I was gifted a book called “To Train Up A Child.” A HORRIBLE book I would never follow. But I owned it (until I decided to toss it. I wouldn’t even SELL it.) because it was given to me. So I don’t necessarily believe that means she follows it.

    And, shoot me now.. but I am one that believes a HEALTHY baby should be allowed to sleep at night until he or she decides to wake up, so I don’t really understand the fuss over her statement that he slept all night. Thankfully my pediatrician agrees. Two of my kids STTN (6-8 hour stretches) from birth. (and they were LARGE babies, definitely not malnourished.) I did have to wake my son every two hours and make him nurse until his bilirubin levels declined to the “safe” zone, but that was by his 9th day, and then he was allowed to sleep until he woke to nurse. As long as he is healthy, and above his birth weight, I don’t understand the big deal. It just seems like people want to knit pick her over every little thing.

    JMO, of course.

  270. dundundun says:

    279, I agree.

    I don’t wake sleepin’ babies as long as it’s not an asinine amount of time.

  271. Syrinx says:

    So the newborn slept from 9-5. ONCE. All of mine did that once randomly during their first couple of weeks. They didn’t keep that kind of routine going though. Let her have her little celebration instead of bashing her for enjoying a one time occurance that allowed her to recouperate a bit. I think that even with all of this additional “evidence” it’s still just a bunch of speculation as to how this mother is CHOOSING to raise her baby. Again, foolishness.

  272. BadrocksWife says:

    It is not the sleeping 9-5 that is wrong…it is keeping him up all day and exhausting him that is wrong!

  273. Julie says:

    282, where did she say she kept him up all day? Because in the convos she posted, she said, (quoted word for word)

    ….. on second thought, I’ll just post the convos she attached to the DS post. I saved them to get a better look, as it was too small on DS for me to see.

    One sec, while I figure this out.

  274. Julie says:

    sure hope this works….



    But the last post on convo # 1 seems as if he is sleeping pretty well during the day… I don’t see where that insinuates she keeps him up all day. :-/

  275. dundundun says:

    Someone else commented on her status along the lines of “he just needed me to keep him awake!” or something. I think that’s where that viewpoint is emerging from.

    Both my kids slept 6 hour stretches at night before they were 3 weeks old. They’re healthy. Each kid is different.

  276. BadrocksWife says:

    Go up to post 274….it is directly from Megan’s Facebook….Lena Melemore states; Megan Mclemore
    Asher slept all night 9-5…yippee
    4 hours ago via Mobile Web Β· LikeUnlike Β· Comment Β· View Feedback (11)Hide Feedback (11)

    4 people like this.
    Lena Madden McLemore That’s great! He just needed his Memaw to keep him awake yesterday : )
    2 hours ago Β· LikeUnlike

  277. Julie says:

    Well shoot.. that didn’t work. Oops. But if you C&P the link into your search, you can read the convos, for those who didn’t see them.

    Now, I want to try again. This is just where I cropped the part where she gives an example of his daily “routine.”

  278. Syrinx says:

    So someone wanted to take or give credit for “keeping him up” so that he slept for a long time at night. It sounds like normal newborn conversation to me. There is far too much being read into this. And it is NO ONE’S business but the parents’.

  279. Julie says:

    Major fail on attaching the screen shot of the convos. LOL.

    I saw the comment from “Memaw.” And I took it as her basking over the fact she spent the day with him, throwing him off his “routine” which wore him out, hence why he slept all night.
    I personally don’t see that as her saying they go out of their way to keep him up all day, when he wants to sleep, so he’ll sleep better at night. (especially since she posted in the last comment of the first screen shot how his days go, and it seems he sleeps plenty during the day.)

    Thats kinda what I meant by it seems like people are “knit picking” this first time mama. Which I think is sad. We were all 1st time mamas, and I’m sure we all did things differently than others…

  280. BadrocksWife says:

    I am gonna back off on poor megs, because apparently she is the victim in all this. I hope and pray that Asher will grow to be well adjusted and not be FTT.
    If you all knew Megs like I do, your attitude about her would be totally different!

  281. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Wow a 500 pond table,I guess you don’t spend much time moving that around!

  282. not me at all says:

    290 that’s what I hear from a lot of ppl…

  283. Syrinx says:

    290-So it’s personal then. That makes it all good.

  284. sourpatchbabe says:

    Dang, so now when someone blatantly goes and lies about conversations (that there is proof they were different than what she’s claiming) then that means that the poor liar is being picked on because people have personal problems with them?

    Ain’t buying it.

  285. Redhead says:

    …is lost!

  286. iken says:

    I am lost as well. *headscratch*

  287. JustMe says:

    291 – Marble top tables are ridiculously heavy. As in, takes 3-4 men to move them, and that’s just sliding, not lifting. They kind of terrify me.

  288. Julie says:

    I am hoping the mama comes back to enlighten me, but I do not understand this statement.

    “DD#1 is due in 4 weeks but will be inducing at 38 weeks due to premature labor for past 5 weeks.”

    Insert DS headscratch.

    I don’t understand. Inducing at 38 weeks, after STOPPING labor for five weeks? WTH?

  289. Julie says:

    … I’d understand if it was a medical reason, but the OP says they are inducing due to premature labor. :-/

  290. sourpatchbabe says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t they just not stop labor when the mother has been in premature labor and they want the baby to come (especially if she’s being given medicine to stop labor). Why would they need to induce when the body has already shown that it’s wanting to give birth for weeks?

  291. dundundun says:

    300, Her doctor is probably going on vacation at the 38+1 mark.

    Can’t be waiting around, yanno!

  292. MOMWITHMANY says:

    This is why I don’t sell anymore !!! Beware of those evil sellers who don’t send you the dc #. I get that dc is important and I get it every time but banning people because they forgot, just RELAX people life really is too short to keep dc# offender lists.

  293. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #302- Just wanted to clarify, DS isn’t banning people but some mamas thought it would be a good idea.

  294. Leah says:

    Is there really a 14yr old pregnant girl posting in the pregnancy forum?

  295. Amygamie says:

    I think she is a faker like Deva. I guess we will wait and see.

  296. Julie says:

    “She” posted a belly pic. And if that is the pregnant tummy of a 14 y/o child at only 22 weeks, then I am Heidi Klum. Bombshell.

  297. noisybean says:

    I call troll. And nice spell check, btw.

  298. Leah says:

    Don’t think so. It’s not just the belly, the hip/butt area is not that of a barely teen in her second trimester.

  299. jewels87 says:

    I better quit responding or I forsee a PM slap on the hand in my future. If one isn’t already on the way for outting “her” in the first place.

  300. smartassmama says:

    The hands. The hands look older. Like, 35-40s. But that may be my computer. Either way, I feel like I’m playing my favorite card game, bullshit.

  301. adensmama says:

    LMAO. When she got called out on it she said some BS lie about “oh that’s my sister she wanted me to ask you all if she should be wearing maternity pants”

    WTF. I can’t believe people are still responding to her!

  302. MOMWITHMANY says:

    She definitely has the spelling of a 14 year old. I love the part where she is apparently asking if her sister should wear a sheet or maternity pants. LMBO I am surprised no one suggested she go on 16 and pregnant, she could ust lie about her age.

  303. Boris says:

    @310~ I was thinking the same thing the hands look OLD. I smell a troll and can’t believe people are still responding

    OK am I the only one who read the Circumcision reversal thread? Is she for real? That whole thread blows my mind

  304. Julie says:

    313, nope.. I read, too. If they are using condoms, then there is no way she can legitly blame her DHs circ.. since it isn’t even coming into direct contact. I think it’s more likely the condoms, or *gasp* something going on with her OWN bits!

  305. Syrinx says:

    314. As soon as she said that they use condoms, I wondered how she could miss the obvious. Oh, wait, they’re lubricated, so there must be something else going on. Doh! Extra lube is STILL needed for DH and myself in the middle of FCM season for us with a “lubricated” condom! If her DH came to her and told her to permanently alter her genitals because he was chafing, would she jump at it?

    On another note, Mylovely is back to stirring the pot by starting random hot topic threads again. She claims to be in college. Doesn’t she have any classmates to discuss this with IRL?

  306. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Where I didn’t see anything from her?

  307. MOMWITHMANY says:

    never mind ,found it. That’s mild compared to some of her silliness.

  308. reallytiredmommy says:

    She’s driving me nuts. Sundae sprinkles is back at it again too. Has a story that for some reason seems familiar, like similar to another post someone else recently made? Bff is no longer talking to her what should she do? Last time she showed up was when sundae was in the bossy and then she gets mad at her for moving. The kicker is she showed up at her moms house supposedly too. And mom had the kids. I thought her parents were abusive and she wasn’t letting the kids around her anymore. I wish I could paste the thread but I can’t seem to get on ds from my iPad tonight.

  309. Syrinx says:

    317. I suppose it’s technically mild. I can’t imagine how well she thought that conversation would go considering that there are tons of military mamas and big time pacifists on DS. She is certainly creative when she gets to pot stirring.

  310. Snickerdoodle says:

    Huh, looks like whoever was posting as a 14 year old pregnant girl was banned.

  311. Snickerdoodle says:

    maybe that huh should have read as hmm. Huh always sounds so confused. πŸ™‚

  312. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #320- What she wasn’t telling the truth??? Her story was so believable and the picture just pulled it all together so

  313. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #320- What she wasn’t telling the truth??? Her story was so believable and the picture just pulled it all together so *rolls eyes*

  314. Snickerdoodle says:

    323 LOL

    Just in case anyone here didn’t know… ( like me) we are big meanies over here.

  315. Smartassmama says:

    Oh come on. We aren’t all vile bitches, all the time. There’s plenty of PDF topic banter here, as there is everywhere. Yes, we tear down and verbally attack trolls, some people ambush, but we aren’t Cruellas or the Wicked Witch 24/7. Just like I’m sure they aren’t all sunshine & roses 24/7. Some people hold their internet tongues, some prefer to be more open with it. And some of us have potty mouths.

    And I’m not middle aged. :p :goodvibes: :thumbsup: lol

  316. Smartassmama says:

    And clearly some of us cannot think and type at the same time and end up as auto correct fails.
    Off topic, not PDF. lol

  317. Snickerdoodle says:

    325- LOL I was like huh PDF topic banter? That is a new internet term to me! hah!

    And yeah Im not middle aged either! I can only assume those who said that we are evil and mean got their feelings hurt somehow.

    And yes I only channel Cruella about oh, 3 days a month… πŸ˜€

  318. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I didn’t know you could say twatfest on DS, that should bring some interesting people to DS when they are searching certain words.LOL I am not hiding anything and I try to be nice to everyone no matter what I am on,but if you ask for opinions you are going to get them and not everyone is going to agree with you. I don’t think DS is any better or worse than usual.

  319. Abbie says:

    I was surprised twatfest got to stay, too. :giggle:

    Something that is confusing to me, is the things that people will put you in the little chair for (I love that phrase now), and the things that generally get looked past.
    Like EIC, or child tax credit, or the size of your refund due to your actual income or how much you work. Yet I saw at least two people say that basically, “I file separately from DH because we aren’t married,” [then he isn’t your “DH”], so we get back more. So you’re getting back more because you aren’t married, and the morality police will crawl an ass about those other credits, yet when you get back more for just living with your SO it’s fine?
    I never realized just living together unmarried gave a bigger refund, myself, though I know of people in my area who do it for more gov. assistance. I’m just surprised this made it past the finances police on DS.

  320. smartassmama says:

    Ooops. My comment’s in moderation. I think I’ll make the name switch though. I’ll just use my name. Anyone who thinks I’m a twat or a middle aged bitch probably already does. lol

  321. smartassmama says:

    Oh me. How about, uh, Tim! Tom! Tracey? I’m not too creative, but there’s a list of things I’d pick before that. But then again, it is gbryndi sooo. ya know.

  322. Aj says:

    I just love that she fully admits to naming her child by playing a rhyming game with her mother, and on top of that, she couldn’t even get the rhyme right!

    Ryhming Driver with a ‘T’ would be Triver, not Tyvor.

  323. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Oh my goodness. Those names are almost as bad as her knitting.

  324. sourpatchbabe says:

    Dear God in heaven! What was she smoking with her mom in that car? Seriously, there’s a point where people have just got to STOP naming their kids these outrageous made up names. My name has one extra S than what the normal spelling of it is and I was always sad and disappointed that I could never have bracelets/keychains/etc with my name on it. I can only imagine what their kids may feel like when their peers (rightfully so) tell them that their parents scraped the bottom of the barrel to come up with their names.

  325. Redhead says:

    Tyvor sounds like something my DH would use to fix leaky pipes. Maybe that is Tyvek? IDK. I’m totally naming my next bebe TexyAnn.. that is hawt in a redneck, whitetrash, Miller light-slut kinda way.

  326. Redhead says:

    I fergit tew add.. YEE HAW!!! Texas is the biggest country EVAR!

  327. dundundun says:


    Stop hating. DH and I have been struggling to find a name for our lil guy … UNTIL NOW!

    Tyvor, it is!

    Man… I’m so glad that struggle is over.

  328. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Redhead -Congrats! I have been so busy battling feminists I missed you were expecting. Glad you got the name thing worked out so Its all smooth sailing from there.

  329. Redhead says:

    TY MWM.. I’m really sick (morning/all day sickness) right now so this is the not fun stage.

  330. dundundun says:

    Awwww, Redhead. I didn’t know you were pregnant πŸ™‚ How far? I “officially” hit the halfway mark tomorrow.

  331. Redhead says:

    6.5 weeks.. due around Sept 20th. πŸ™‚

  332. dundundun says:

    Awwww, congrats πŸ˜‰ DD1 is a September baby. Throughout the entire pregnancy I predicted her to be born on 9/11. She popped out on the 12th.

  333. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Yeah, I always start off ok and convince myself it’s not going to be bad this time, then around 7 weeks it hits me really hard.

  334. MOMWITHMANY says:

    HEB sells raspberry and peppermint tea and I think ginger in their generic brand for like $2 each. I made ice tea out of it and just drank that all day long.

  335. Kristen says:

    MWM….You’re in Texas? I’m ASSuming so since you said HEB. I ❀ HEB!

    As for those names…whoa! And to think, my mom had a cow when I told her I wanted to name DS1 Daxton.

  336. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Yes I am around San Antonio. We just got a brand new HEB by us and I am loving how clean the store is and how nice the people are. It beats walmart any day.

  337. Goomba'sMom says:

    Can’t believe no one has shared this one yet, it is a great time waster if you need a laugh. Not quite as crazy as the dead cat sweater story, but still.

  338. JB says:

    I’m around San Antonio too. Small world πŸ˜‰

  339. MOMWITHMANY says:

    We should have a DDS meet up, like they do on DS . I bet it would be the same people.LOL

  340. werd says:

    I’m going to be all spammy for a second. If any of you post on CDN, you probably know Stephanie, aka “Stef Leppard”. She lost her baby at 18 weeks on sunday 😦 Her water broke unexplainably, and she gave birth via c/s to a live baby boy who died shortly after. She is my IRL BFF – we are trying to get donations for them and put together a fundraiser that will be happening in 2 parts – the first part starts Thursday and will be going for 48 hours, and then the second part with happen Monday, and go for 48 hours. We already raised enough Paypal to cover the cremation costs of their son, now we are hoping to raise some money to cover their $2500 deductible 😦

    Here’s the link to their story, and the fundraiser is also there:

  341. Carol White says:

    Well, that was an hour of my life I’ll never get back but highly entertaining. Damn near as good as the dead cat sweater thread. I’m still laughing at that one

  342. S. says:

    My dad ran a funeral home in colorado and he told us that when they cremate a baby that there is nothing left. When you cremate someone all that is left are the bones and those go into a grinder and that goes into an urn. Well a babies bones are still soft so there is nothing left to grind up:( In fact a lot of places just put a little something from someone else in the urn because there is nothing left of the baby. Unless they have made huge advancments in cremation in the last 30 years then that is still how it works. Are they really set on cremation? Are they worried they can’t afford a plot? Maybe the funeral home will work with them? I am not trying to upset anyone just trying to let you know in case they didn’t know.

  343. Julie says:

    What. The. Fudge. :-/
    Some things should just be left UNSAID. Can’t say I’d want to read the post from “S” if I was this grieving family.

    werd- my heart breaks for them. 😦

  344. S. says:

    A lot of people don’t know about it and if I was cremating my baby to be able to keep it with me in a way (which a lot of people do) I would want someone to tell me. And I have lost a couple myself so I kinda know how she they feel right now. I got a special necklace to remember mine. I wasn’t trying to hurt anyone. But wouldn’t it suck if they cremated the baby and then years later found out that you can’t really cremate a baby and have anything left for the urn? Seems like that would be worse. Like losing it all over again. It would to me anyways.

  345. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Wow that is seriously THE WORST thing I have ever read!!! I am all for speaking your mind but that is just a bizarre thing to say. I saw this on ds too I am glad that it is getting around hopefully they can raise what they need, there are some awesome wahm’s helping out.

  346. HRM's mom says:

    wow I am so sorry about Stephanie, after having several miscarriages and than what happened with our last pregnancy, I can say it really is a horrible thing to have happen to you.

    also several someones have been smoking the wacky weed again

  347. HRM's mom says:

    plus it is not really a great print either, it is ugly IMO.

  348. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I guess this is what my mom meant when she said some people have more money than sense. It is a diaper and we all know what happens in diapers!

  349. .bin. says:

    Jesus S, you could have made your point without talk of grinding babies multiple times, honestly. Read the room.

  350. werd says:

    :facepalm: wow. I don’t think they honestly care to know that. The baby weighed about 6 oz, I don’t think they really expect to come home with an urn “brimming to the top”. They just want a way to memorialize their son.

    Steph reads here occasionally, I really fucking hope she doesn’t read that. Have some class and sensitivity. Seriously.

  351. Abbie says:

    I’ve seen her name, but I haven’t really posted there as much as I’d like to. But my heart goes out to her all the same. That’s heartbreaking.
    Off to see those links. πŸ™‚

  352. Amygamie says:

    Wasn’t planning on saying anything about the urn but after sleeping on it I still feel like it.

    I am someone that choose to have my child cremated and we do have an urn. I don’t even really know how to put in words reading #354 made me feel… but let’s just say I haven’t really been able to look at our urn with that still fresh in my head. We already know that, anyone who has a basic understanding of cremation or how babies develop know that, but saying it so bluntly right after a loss is announced is effing heartless. It may just be ashes but to us it is a memorial that you mourn, pour your heart into and sometimes the one thing that makes you feel a little closer to the baby you will never get to experience like you should have.

    Way to dump all over one of the few comforting things a mother has after a loss when just about everything else reminds you of what you no longer have and will never have.

    Effing people like you… Just go stick your head in the toilet.

  353. werd says:

    big HUGS Amy. I can’t imagine what you are going through, but living through it with Stephanie has been heartwrenching 😦

  354. S. says:

    I have lost 2 of my own so I have been there too. I only brought it up because a friend of mine said I should because it would be upsetting if they found out later. Again I am sorry. Is there a way to delete the posts? I didn’t know she read here I don’t know her. I’m sorry.

  355. DC says:

    Don’t kill the messenger. The bad language and anger directed at the one trying to make sure that Steph doesn’t have MORE pain on top of the pain she is already experiencing is uncalled for. Having lost babies of her own, she KNOWS how Steph feels and cares enough to say something. Stats say that 1 out of every baby dies either before or after birth. That means there are a lot of mothers here who are in the same situation that Steph is and can commiserate with her and want to help. I have lost babies, too, and was mortified when I found out what goes on when a baby is cremated. Do some research on the net, next time before you blindly hit out at someone just trying to help. Amygamie – it looks like you stuck your mouth in the toilet before you posted. People like YOU need to engage your brain before you get near a keyboard.

  356. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Wow. I want to throw up a bit. And sob.
    353/365- Somethings are just better left unsaid. Nobody does DNA tests on ashes, so how the heck would they ever know? There is NO reason you ever had to say any of that. Funeral directors, coroners, and similar professionals know A LOT of things that no one should ever have to know, and yet they USUALLY keep it to themselves because they’re aware of that. Maybe try remembering that when you want to blast a grieving parent with your facts.
    363- Much love to you, Mama. I cannot imagine how that made you feel.
    366- You’re treading in hot-hot water there. You need to shut your trap, like, YESTERDAY!!! There’s no defense for your and ‘S.’ right now, and pouncing on Amy like that- totally nasty and heartless. Walk away. Now. Don’t come back. And hope that 90% of the regulars here don’t find out who you are elsewhere.

  357. Amygamie says:

    well maybe I was a little bit too mean but I took it as, her skipping in seeing the loss of a baby announced and saying ‘yeah that baby you just lost and will never have, yeah well even the remains of your baby isn’t even really your baby, so yeah yet another way you can not have him. Isn’t that interesting fact.” It is something people don’t need to hear regardless of how true they may be. It is gutwrenching.

    This is like those people who feel the need to correct others when they have said they lost a baby during pregnancy and they feel the need to correct them that they did not loose a baby but infact a fetus, (smh) yeah it may be true but when it comes to stuff like this it is best just to give your regards and support even if you don’t feel a lick of it. The kicks when your down take a lot longer to get over, I just hope Steph doesn’t read it.

  358. DC says:

    There is a lot of compassion and love being shown to Steph along with monetary support, me included. No one wants anyone to go through such sorrow and sadness. Personally, it was worse for me when I found out the information posted above years ago after just having lost a baby myself. I sure wish someone had told me, not that it would have made it easier, but just so I would have known and could make informed decisions that would affect me for the rest of my life.

    Having said that, I think it’s time for everyone to just agree to disagree and stop intentionally using negative behavior to address a sincerely sensitive subject. The initial poster has apologized and shared that she, too, has lost children. She was only trying to help. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with her or not, but it does matter if you take out your anger over infant demise on anyone and everyone you don’t agree with.

    Instead of expending all that energy on negative comments, how about using it to donate to the auctions going on to help Stephanie. That is a lot more productive and healing than anything else. As for the discussion about cremation, it would be a good idea to simply drop the subject. Nothing can be accomplished further by continuing to beat it into the ground.

  359. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Trust me, I’m putting A LOT of time and energy into these auctions, and I still have plenty left over to be pissed off at twatwafflery like that.

  360. DC says:

    Which items are yours in the auctions? How much has been raised and how much needs to be raised so we can have a goal to reach for and know how far we’ve come. It would be really nice if all the bills could be met. Has anyone sent Steph cards or flowers? What else can we do for her?

  361. Redhead says:

    371- I don’t really think the drama blog is the place for all the info. Probably should PM the ladies who are in charge and ask them.

  362. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    371- Since you think you can test me, I’ll humor you so you can see what a jackass you’re being. We’ve raised $803.33, though three auctions are still yet to be paid. My items have already sold. The goal is to pay the entire $2,500 insurance deductible from her c-section. We are on-track to exceed that goal. In cash donations alone, they have received more than enough to cover the cremation, as well as to buy the tree underneath which THEIR SON’S ASHES will be buried. I have spent hours cooking and bringing them food, frozen meals for later, fresh groceries, gifts for Lucy, special grown-up treats for Dan and Steph, and meals others locally have made for them. Other local friends and family members have also been taking turns staying with Lucy and Steph when Dan has to work to make sure they are well taken care of and have as little stress as possible while they deal with the beginning of this long journey. We’re all doing our best to ensure that they are in need of NOTHING. Stephanie has received quite a few notes, gifts, packages drop-shipped from stores like Amazon, and more. I have spent and will continue to spend as much time as is needed to organize and run this entire operation until Steph and Dan have every single thing that they need.
    You act as if you’re so invested in this project, and yet you would already have the answer to every single one of your questions if you were involved, as we have made every detail public since the start. They are dear personal friends of mine and Werd’s, and yes, we are intensely defensive and fiercely loyal to them. Anyone who feels it necessary to break their hearts further with these gut-wrenching and unnecessary “facts” will indeed feel a verbal boot in the rear-end.

    Anything else?

  363. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #368- I don’t think you were mean at all.I have followed your story and I can’ even imagine the pain reading things like that must cause you. So sorry mama.

  364. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #373- They are truly blessed to have such devoted friends as you guys.

  365. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    375- Thanks. We’re not going back pats on the back, though. We’re doing exactly what Dan and Steph would do for any of us, were the rolls reversed. I’d happily stay anonymous in all of this, but when idiocy like the posts DC and S. are making happen, I lose it. Seriously, if DC cared as much as she pretends to, she’d already have every. single. answer. to her asinine post 371, because there is a public place that is linked all over where every detail is out in the open, discussed, and decided on by those involved. This was made so both bidders and those who donate can see every detail and have a say in it. Again, if she cared as much as she’s putting on, she’d have known this.

  366. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Gah, that’s so full of spelling and grammar fail.

  367. DC says:

    Thank you so much for the info. No, I have not seen the info anywhere else. Where is this ‘public place’ that info is ‘all over everywhere”? I saw the auctions briefly in hyena cart and know some of the donors but they didn’t know much either, expect help was needed.

    By the sounds of it, you have it pretty much wrapped up and are not wanting any additional help by those you consider “outsiders”.

    With all the effort going on, it might be nice for those who are interested in helping to feel welcomed and not attacked. IMMHO.

  368. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    You have been the one attacking. I have been answering.

  369. DC says:

    Sorry if you felt that way, it is hard to clearly express feelings and intent in the written word. You can’t see each other’s faces, body language or innunendos.

    I do appreciate the information, it makes me feel good to know Stephanie has good friends who are going to such lengths to care for her and her family. It is important that those who have suffered the loss of a baby are supported, loved, cared for and understood – everyone who has lost a child, not just some. Perhaps the pain is different, and the concerns are different, but the need for compassion doesn’t change.

    I can’t see that posting anything further on this board regarding this situation is needed, nor are more donations, which was my intent. Good luck with the auctions and efforts, it looks like the amount needed will be easily reached πŸ˜‰

  370. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I know I am not in this ,but seriously “S” your post ripped my heart out. I understand that may not have been your intention and now all this knit picking is just devastating. We are talking about the death of a baby and grieving parents who cares if they don’t allow “outsiders” to help. They have people working on it and they don’t need any extra help,you can help by bidding/donating and letting her friends pass on what they make to her. This just makes me sad when other mamas attack people who are trying to help a struggling family.

  371. not me at all says:

    S why on EARTH would anybody need to know that? WTF?

  372. SweetP says:

    I don’t know what made me come here tonight. It’s the middle of the night and I can’t sleep. I don’t really know what to say, please forgive me if this comes out wrong. I’m exhausted from crying and trying to quiet the millions of thoughts in my head that just won’t stop. I’m sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but I just want to say something. My baby was 18 weeks, and so, so tiny — 6 oz. I know now just how little that is because I got to hold him for a few minutes. It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done, but I know that it was something I needed to do, and I would have regretted it forever if I never saw him. We were going to have an ultrasound in a few weeks, and were waiting until we knew the sex before we were really going to start thinking about names. My little girl called the baby “Bob Elmo”, so that’s what we named him. Every day she tries to lift up my shirt and “see the baby”. I have no idea how to tell her that he’s gone. When they come to ask you what you want to do with the baby’s body, they use horrible words like “disposal”. I know that 6 oz isn’t going to be very much in the way of ashes, and I’ve heard enough stories about cremation to know that I’ll never know 100% what I’ll be getting in the box that the funeral director is bringing to our house tomorrow. But I’m going to tell myself that it’s the remains of my tiny baby, and this spring we’re going to bury those ashes with a tree we’re going to plant on our property. I know a funeral would have been another option, but there is no way I can go through a service now, and pick out a tiny coffin or whatever that option entails. But I have to do SOMETHING, I couldn’t bring myself to leave him to the hospital to be thrown away. He is still my baby, and this is just the best way we can think of to deal with this right now. I don’t know what other people do, I hate being part of this horrible club, and I hate that there are so many members. So many more than I ever could have imagined, and my heart aches for all of you. 😦 I can never in a million years thank everyone enough for the cards, messages, prayers, thoughts, and amazing generosity as we go through this terrible time. Deviate, I can’t ever thank you enough for everything you have done for me, making sure we have good food to eat, checking in so often to see how I’m doing…just everything. The love and support from my family and friends (so many that I have never even met) is what’s keeping me going right now. I’m just trying to do the best I can to get through each day so I can be there for my husband and my little girl. I don’t even know what else to say. Just thank you again a million times over for keeping me and my family in your thoughts and prayers.

  373. imdivingin says:


  374. JustPeachy says:

    Just wow. Steph I am so sorry you had to read this bull shit. Some people have zero class and no filter when it comes to delicate subjects such as the loss of a child. You know I know your story but reading it again brought fresh tears to my eyes. I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to say something as absurd as what S and DC have said.

  375. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Steph, I am just seething right now. I am enraged even more at DC and S. right now, because you had to see this heart-wrenching nastiness. I’m so-so-so sorry you ever saw this all.I cannot imagine how this made you feel.

  376. werd says:

    DC, you are a heartless, cruel fucking cunt. Keep your money, no one wants it.

    Steph, I’m so sorry you had to read this. I love you 😦

  377. raven says:

    Wow, DC, passive aggressive much? Pot stirring bitch. GTFO.

    and S jesus if you really feel you need to “teach” grieving mothers about cremation techniques, try to learn some TACT first.

  378. sciencefair says:

    I haven’t posted here in a while but can we say unclassy? First off all the info is posted on and in a public facebook group. I think having info on facebook pretty much means a simple search would show you the info if you didn’t read the listing on KomfyKozies telling the whole.story.

    All that ran through my head when I read that post was regarding some of my ancestors that fought in WWI and WWII and when soldiers died families were sent back a box of bones. That was all. And everyone knew that more than likely the bones were from several different soldiers. But you know what, that wasn’t important. What was important was that the famillies were allowed to put their child to rest and grieve instead of always wondering what happened.

  379. JDSMama says:

    I have no words for the ignorant things said on here..however I have many hugs and love for Steph.
    Ok I lied…think before you speak and/or type people..its called respect and common sense.

    Love you Steph….xoxo

  380. sourpatchbabe says:

    I wonder who the buyer is and what else she wants?

  381. DC says:

    You never know just who it is you are talking to on this list because ‘real’ names are not known. Be aware that your words have been read and considered by those you many not have wanted them see. Cyber bullying and personal threats are illegal.

    This line of posts is not about comments made by a grieving mother who wanted to stop another grieving mother from getting the same nasty shock she did. Instead of saving Steph from pain, that particular mother is now suffering even more by the uncalled for negative comments made here.

    I got attacked because I dare try to get the bullies to see the flip side of the coin, misunderstanding the real reason for the angry filthy language filled posts. They were less about protecting Steph, who actually handled the situation with dignity, reason, understanding, compassion and tact, but the nasty posts aimed at S and myself were all about grandstanding, bullying and simply ganging up on someone else because they can.

    Time to move on folks, I am sure that is what Steph would want. If you really care about her the way you say you do, you’ll simply leave it alone now.

    And for the record – there was a donation made by those attacked to Steph, they really do care about her, and so do I, enough to make this my last post on the subject.

    God bless you, Steph, I’ve been where you are – 3 times. No one can take away your loss, but perhaps our prayers can soften the ache. Know you are loved and cared for by those you are not even aware of. May angels surround you. Soft hugs, DC.

  382. MotherMoonPads says:

    #334, I have a pair of her longies and they are flawless.

  383. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    393- That’s surprising! There are several threads about her work in T&F and it’s not pretty. If you look in her PB as well, there’s little to show off. I wonder if she found a new longies pattern to use or something.

  384. SweetP says:

    Needless to say, this has been on my mind a lot today. By this I mean the posts above, and a million other things that are racing through my head that I wish I could just shut off. We picked up the “little something” that was or wasn’t left of Bob Elmo at the funeral home today. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, maybe it’s chalk or someone’s grandfather — I’ll never know, but I’ll tell myself that what’s in that tiny black velvet bag are the ashes of my baby boy. That’s just what I need to do to get by right now. I can totally respect that everyone reacts to loss and painful events in their lives in different ways, and that some people may find comfort in knowing “all the facts” while others my find comfort in just taking some things on faith. I had really thought I was doing better the past few days, going there today was a just like popping a bubble and letting everything rush back in.
    DC– Thank you for the hugs, and for thinking about me. I’m so sorry for your losses, too, this is a pretty fucking shitty club to be in. 😦
    I can only own my own words, but I can say with certainty that the fierceness of these posts aren’t from bullies who go around looking for a fight. I don’t want to speak for anyone, but I believe things were said out of anger that I might read/read something they knew would really hurt me right now, not people just waiting around for some poster to jump on. Really. For whatever was said on this portion of the thread, and whatever some of you may think of them, these women have done more for me since this has happened than I can even comprehend. They are some of the most amazing friends anyone could ever have, and I am blessed to have them in my life. I am blessed to have SO MANY people praying for me, loving me, and helping me to get through this. I hope this makes sense, it’s been a pretty rough day. I’m just trying to gear up for another one tomorrow. Just thank you again so much for everything, I can never, ever explain how much it means to me. ❀

  385. not me at all says:

    DC maybe if you and S hung around you’d know that most of us know who every person here is. It’s not a big secret.

    S’s post was CRUEL. It made ME cry and there is NO reason STeph should have to WONDER whether those ashes belong to Bob Elmo.

  386. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Katayannamama or whatever goes around stirring the pot all over the board. She was going after the ff board awhile ago, she KNEW her comment would cause problems. I don’t understand the point of insulting other beliefs just to get a reaction. It screams pay attention to me.

  387. werd says:

    I have to laugh, I’m sorry. Yep, I’m a big mean bully! And I clearly don’t care about Stephanie at all. HAHAHAHA.

    DC, you might want to confirm who you are talking to and about. I’M the one who called the funeral home to make arrangements for Steph’s baby. I’M the one who came out to the hospital the night she had her c-section, with tracfone minutes for her husband, gas money and a huge ass bag of snacks and toiletries and flowers and what have you, for her and Dan. I’M the one who started the “Help the DeVries Family” page! DEVIATE is the one who is running all the auctions, along with donating some of her WAHM wares, oh and spending several hours last week cooking a truckload of meals for Steph and Dan and then delivering them over an hour away. Oh, we are such big meanies that don’t care!!

    Yeah, WE are the cyber bullies. Feel free to report us to the interwebz police. I need a good laugh right now!

    AND, FTR, when I called the funeral director (who is a friend of the fam), he made me well aware of the logistics of creamating a 6 oz baby. I didn’t feel the need to go running back to Steph, the day after her c/s, to let her know. Its realllllllly easy to spout off facts online – try telling that to your best friend’s face, as she is crying.

    I don’t think that S’s post was meant to be mean. But I think you are disgusting and heartless, DC. KARMA.

    And Steph you are seriously about the classiest person on the planet. big hugs and major props to you!! ❀

  388. Syrinx says:

    398. Thread’s reopened and she’s apologized. Gotta give her credit for that. I get the impression that her filter just doesn’t work very well.

  389. sourpatchbabe says:

    Well that’s not much of an apology. Last I checked, when you apologize is because you recognize that you did/said something wrong and are genuinely sorry for it. Saying that you are sorry that other people took what you said as offensive is not a true apology. More like an “I feel sorry for you guys for taking offense at what I said” than a real apology.

  390. Syrinx says:

    I guess the part where she said she didn’t mean for her post to be offensive and apologized for getting the thread locked threw me off and I assumed she was taking responsibility for saying something offensive. In all honesty, I think that some of the reactions to it should have been toned down. They were just as responsible for fanning the flames-and I thought her Jesus post was a bit offensive.

  391. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Yes it was big of her to admit she got the thread locked but I agree with SPB that her apology was sorry you took offense ,not sorry I said it. But if she isn’t sorry she said it then that’s as good as it gets. The thing I don’t understand was why did blasphemy get taken away and labeled an insult. The way it was being used was a verb,she was describing what was being done. The same as if I were to say she was baking, describing the action was baking a cake.

  392. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Never mind question answered . The post quoted the offensive post so it was removed.

  393. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Never mind question answered . The post quoted the offensive post so it was removed.Makes sense.

  394. not me at all says:

    She was calling her a blasphemer which is technically calling names…

  395. Syrinx says:

    That’s the way I took it myself, not me. She wasn’t passing out a compliment-that’s for certain.

  396. reallytiredmommy says:

    What’s going on with the ewe need it co op? All of a sudden it was canceled and ds said something about the discount not being worth it and being badmouthed.

  397. rella says:

    From what I know – a mod on DS PM’d ENI and said her discounts weren’t enough and she needed to use her old pricing or nobody would take part in the coop – that’s what I gathered from ENI FB fanpage…

  398. Abbie says:

    From the original Co-op thread:

    “Regarding the ENI Co-op

    It was brought to our attention this WAHM has stated lies regarding our decision to stop working with her. We want to clear things up a bit for you all.
    We no longer will be allowing co-ops with this WAHM here on Diaperswappers. ENI became a WAHM on DS in May of 09 and her discounts for the members have decreased every time we ran a co-op with her.

    We have all the listings from her first co-op, second, and the present we closed yesterday. We really didn’t want to do this but Katie is making us out to sound awful, what is being claimed is not true. We wouldn’t expect anyone to keep same pricing from 5 years ago, but the truth is her last coop was just 7 MONTHS ago, and then a little over a year before that in 2009. We want our members to benefit from our co-ops and have fun, not pay more by participating in a co-op or save only a few cents. The difference was so much less from 7 months ago that a PM was sent by a team member to Katie offering to keep the coop open but a reply was never returned, so closing ENI was the best option. Thanks mamas, and I hope you all understand we have the best intentions for you. We needed to clear up the rumors going around regarding the Team and our great board.”

  399. usmcwifey says:

    Well… that clears it all up — the discounts just weren’t enough then. Glad they confirmed what we already knew….

  400. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    410- Wow, that is SO not true. Katie’s been doing co-ops on DS since 2009? So wrong. My very first co-op on DS was with ENI, and it was in January 2008. There are so many lies in that post, it’s not even funny.

  401. Abbie says:

    I don’t have a clue myself. I just saw it posted so I copied it here. I just started doing co-ops, and everyone was right, It’s fun so far.

  402. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Lest it go poof or some one tries to lie about it:

  403. sourpatchbabe says:

    Sweet Jesus thats a lot of yarn

  404. amessymama says:

    She’s making another one and said she’s thinking of adding a skirty.

    I wonder if she’s open for customs? I gotta get in on some of that knitted baby pants for adults action before it becomes the new HC thing everybody wants. πŸ˜€

  405. HRM's mom says:

    on the whole ENI didn’t they kind of go against their own rules of bad mouthing someone and to top it off the posted almost exactly the same thing ENI posted on FB so I don’t get how she was spreading lies. WHAT IDEOT

  406. HRM's mom says:

    on the whole ENI didn’t they kind of go against their own rules of bad mouthing someone and to top it off the posted almost exactly the same thing ENI posted on FB so I don’t get how she was spreading lies. WHAT IDIOTS!!

  407. BootsieGirl says:

    ENI says on her FB that DS wanted her to do coop pricing from 5 years ago. How is that true when they state they had asked for her to keep along the same terms she had from her last coop just 7 months ago? I was going to participate until others started noticing the huge discrepancy from last time. I am sorry but what is the point in a 5 percent discount if she only gets that with the imposed drop ship ‘fee’?? Ding ding ding.. HELLO, there was NO discount idiots! Jesus, all you licking ENI’s ass must be seriously lacking in brain cells. I don’t blame DS for canceling her coop, they only run the damn things to help save people money and that just wasn’t worth it. It was a joke. Damn, idiots.

  408. Incognizable says:

    So does anyone know where ENI is running a co-op with 20% off?? I need to get in on that shiz!

  409. HRM's mom says:

    there is one on ENI’s fb page

  410. HRM's mom says:

    wow something really crawled up your ass. I have never even ordered anything from ENI I was just stating the fact that DS was totally getting all over her ass and calling her a liar seems strange to me since they are always so against that sort of think. And I am sorry but they did post almost exactly the same thing she did on facebook so yeah I was licking ENI ass. Sorry you did not get your discount and are all pissed off about it. Don’t buy shit from her if you don’t like the price. OH I am sorry DS is all Smart and knows everything.

  411. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    420- Did you even READ ENI’s FB page? Do you know her store? Purchase from her regularly? I’ll spell it out for you:

    -The co-op pricing DS was insisting she use were the ones she *SET* FIVE YEARS AGO
    -As for the “5%” discount, she obviously has a smaller profit margin on some things, but chooses to do so to keep it affordable. Therefore, her co-op discount cannot be as steep, or she would actually be taking a loss.
    -If you follow ENI, you know that she recently (as in the last six months or so) raised her prices on all her goods across the board. She did so VERY regretfully, but she had just been absorbing the increasing cost of supplies, but it got to be too much, cut into her profits too much, and with her husband being permanently off work due to his battle with cancer, ENI is how she supports the family. She needed to do it for her family, and I don’t begrudge her that one little bit. I, too, have a family to support.
    – DS has no right to mandate a person’s drop-shipping fees. IMO, if a vendor is drop-shipping, there should be no co-op fee because the co-op host is doing little besides copy + pasting info into posts, then copy + pasting posts into an order form. If a WAHM can show reasonably (as Katie did) what her packaging costs alone are, DS has no right to demand that they take a loss on supplies just so the co-op participants get another $1 off per order? REALLY? Whoa is this supposed to be “fun” for: the participants getting discounted goods while the WAHM is forced to take a loss by the almighty DS? Yeah. Fun.
    – So yes, her co-op prices aren’t as low as they were 5 years or 7 months ago, but she is a mom as much as a business woman, and she’s taking care of her own. If supporting a WAHM’s decision to do so is “licking her ass,” then I guess I’m guilty as charged.

  412. mamatocuties says:

    I freakin love ENI and her products are worth the price, regardless of how small the discount may be. Who gives a crap if you are only saving a couple bucks, its still a couple bucks that ENI is giving up to help you save money.

  413. JustPeachy says:

    Amen #425. I absolutely love Katies products and shes provided nothing but stellar cs over the years.

  414. sourpatchbabe says:

    OP is selling BG AIO for 14 that can be found brand new on cottonbabies for 9.95 (and free shipping). She didn’t like that she was called on it, lol.

  415. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    427- I’ve always wondered why people do that. :headscratch: Is it so hard to do a simple internet search to see what the diapers you’re listing are currently going for brand new? Start pricing there, then consider the deductions to be made based on condition and how badly you want to sell them. Really, it doesn’t matter what YOU paid for them. What are they ACTUALLY going for, and what is their current worth? I guess it’s that not-so-common-sense thing.

  416. sourpatchbabe says:

    I wonder if they’ll actually delete it. Heck, I wonder when people will realize that putting “please delete” with an angry face smiley is going to draw more attention to the thread.

  417. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    LOL, exactly. It was moved to Sold/Traded/Gone.

  418. momwithmany says:

    I just can’t imagine doing this to any child,it’s food and he’s so young!

  419. sourpatchbabe says:

    I was wondering when new drama was going to come out, it’s been a few weeks. My five year old sometimes does things that would definitely make me send him to bed without dinner, if he was older.

  420. Julie says:

    That crunch chick is a freaking LOON.

    Her poor DS. I can’t imagine having a mother like her. She won’t kiss him on the mouth, and now she is MAD at her 17 month old for PLAYING WITH HIS FOOD. Sounds like it’s probably for the best that he spends majority of his time with his grandma, I just can’t picture his mother being much fun to be around. He probably wouldn’t get any affection or positive interaction AT ALL if she were a SAHM.

  421. momwithmany says:

    I totally understand not being a short order cook and if they won’t eat ,they won’t eat …. nothing you can do but the idea of with holding food when she said” he is begging for it” just breaks my heart. If he was 5 I could understand having a conversation about eating what is made because that is the only choice for dinner and leaving it up to them to eat or not,but he is 17 months!!! Most babies (especially boys) don’t have much vocabulary at that age and can’t possibly understand. I really TRY not to be judgmental of different parenting techniques because every child is different so if it works great,but to me this is still a baby we are talking about.

  422. momwithmany says:

    I totally understand not being a short order cook and if they won’t eat ,they won’t eat …. nothing you can do but the idea of with holding food when she said” he is begging for it” just breaks my heart. If he was 5 I could understand having a conversation about eating what is made because that is the only choice for dinner and leaving it up to them to eat or not,but he is 17 months!!! Most babies (especially boys) don’t have much vocabulary at that age and can’t possibly understand. I really TRY not to be judgmental of different parenting techniques because every child is different so if it works great,but to me this is still a baby and food we are talking about.

  423. momwithmany says:

    What the heck ,it posts before I hit submit and am not finished typing and then re-posts when I hit submit ??????

  424. JustMe says:

    438 – I posted that in 431. πŸ˜› Now who’s slow?

  425. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Yeah, she’s been on the WAHM radar to stay faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from for a while now. I guess the number of people coming forward with proof of scamming finally added up to a “HOLY CRAP” sign, and the powers that be decided she was worth of the outing. LOL

  426. Julie says:

    This is OT but I have to share. Warning: do not click if you are eating, or have recently eaten.

  427. audlovesm5 says:

    Well, there’s something to be said about feeling confident! More power to ya baby!

  428. Julie says:

    I’m all for being proud of your baby body, the stretch marks & tummy sag don’t bother me a bit. However, the shaved bikini area & the UNshaved pits made me LOL, literally.

  429. sourpatchbabe says:

    Dang, I didn’t know crackheads were all into environmentally friendly materials as well. You’d think that she’d at least comb/tie back her hair before the picture. And if that picture was the best of the bunch, makes me wonder which shots did NOT make it

  430. sourpatchbabe says:

    443, the baby body doesn’t faze me at all (my post baby body looks worse than hers. Think love child of a topographical globe and a bowl of melting jello). What gets me is the dazed/drunken face and the hair. I can’t tell if she’s trying to get dreads or what is going on there. Whatever it is, it is NOT pretty.

  431. JustMe says:

    Would someone with more guts than me PLEASE educate this mama on the definition of STRANGULATION HAZARD???

  432. momwithmany says:

    Wow ,how could you be sure you have the right person ? Threatening someone is just way over the top.

  433. Abbie says:

    446. In her pictures, they didn’t look *that* long. But in post 16, wow. They have to be a foot & a half, at least. I agree.

    But that bikini thing? Wowz. I don’t know where to start on any of that. Any of it.

  434. JustMe says:

    In the first post, she says they are 20-some inches long!

    whoever posted, thanks!

  435. Abbie says:

    Oh. lol My reading comprehension kinda sucks.

  436. moxy says:

    446 – Scary. I think cords, string, etc. are supposed to be 12″ and under for children under 3, and less than 6″ for crib toys.

  437. sourpatchbaby says:

    Putting a few of the plastic linkadoo thingies together would accomplish the same thing without being a strangulation hazard.

  438. sourpatchbaby says:

    Got a new computer (yay! No more random noises coming out of the old one!) and now my comments are awaiting moderation.

  439. Tired says:

    Did you see this one? Poster just found out that her 16 y/o nephew and 30 y/o SIL are having an “affair.” Not exactly an affair in my book…he’s a minor.

  440. momwithmany says:

    I feel bad now I tried to post nicely while still getting the point across that it might be a concern. I never meant for it to get locked. I was going to pm but with so many testers using them already I wanted to give a heads up to watch them while using these. I just couldn’t live with myself if something happened and I didn’t say anything. Seriously ds is amazing the things he gets into. H2BAM is great about these things ,so glad she’s looking into it.

  441. AugustBabies says:

    I just read over all 400+ comments and the one thing I can’t get over is the Mama Longies. (post# 415). I mean….I don’t want to rain on the mama’s parade and if it makes her happy to make and wear diaper covers for herself, then more power to her. But I just….don’t….understand. If she just wants to keep herself warm with some cozy pants, ok. But….a skirty?! WTH?

  442. DoubleRainbow says:

    Ok I know I’m just being an @$$ but just found this store on HC and thought I would share The pics on her facebook look a little better (she has over 1000 fans?????) but definitely check out the “dolls” in her shop. And the cloth tampons.

  443. Freckleface says:

    It does say they were made by kids for kids…

  444. Abbie says:

    Oh good grief. I hope a kid did that, because even I can sew better than that. And I do not make a living sewing.

  445. DoubleRainbow says:

    Ahhh Freckleface I see now that the dolls are “small soft toys toys with jingled in them and dolls creatively put together for children by children” Everything else seems to be sewn by herself… I like this diaper with the 2 different size tabs and the black fleece skirt with white stitching.

    (I’m usually not so mean but I’m feeling snarky today :giggle:)

  446. Abbie says:

    Why does the penguin print look so familiar? Have we talked about her before?

  447. DoubleRainbow says:

    Ohh yeah it looks like there has been some discussion of CC Bums in the comments of some older posts here.

  448. DoubleRainbow says:

    And I didn’t mean to be rude with my use of “Let me google that for you”, I just like linking to it because I think it’s awesome πŸ™‚

  449. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    LMFBO! I love “Let me Google that for you.”

  450. Aj says:

    CcBuns is the infamous dead grandma blanket wahm, used to be camellama on ds.

  451. JustMe says:

    456, not your fault, I reported the post to H2BAM to make sure it was attended to asap (like, before somebody’s kid got one wrapped around their poor little neck!)

  452. usmcwifey says:

    Yea, ummmm what exactly is that supposed to be anyway?

  453. DoubleRainbow says:

    haha Kristen oh yes, put enough ruffles on it and nobody will notice that it looks like a 5 year old sewed it!

  454. audlovesm5 says:

    ahahahahaaa! nice

  455. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Oh my goodness. Some one said she’d gotten better since way back when she first started her WAHM adventure. Yes, complete with eyes for your little one to chew off the piece of garbage and choke on. πŸ™„

    Her goods make me want to raise my prices. I charge less than her for my fleece longies and… lets just say a child with two legs of the same length would be able to comfortably wear mine. Her recycled stuff reminds of- who was it, Woolie-Boolie Bums? I swear there was another one that was a regular laugh-fest.
    Honestly, do these people think the stuff LOOKS good? They must not look at THE REST of HyenaCart and Etsy. I know we all start somewhere- goodness knows I did four years ago, but…

  456. momwithmany says:

    #468- Good thinking it never occurred to me to report it that would have been faster than posting. It’s a good idea hopefully she gets it all worked out.

  457. werd says:

    OMFG, this is the thing that nightmares are made of

  458. DoubleRainbow says:

    hahahaha can you imagine being a little kid and getting one of those dolls as a gift?? :shudder: I would never sleep again…

    And Deviate, I KNOW, right?? Her longies are priced about the same as mine, but her soakers are way more. I can’t believe the stuff some people buy… And she has over 1000 facebook fans!! HOW?? Her newer pics on facebook look a little better but still…

  459. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    476- Perhaps people fan her to point and laugh, like the train wreck you just cannot look away from.

  460. amessymama says:

    475-That thing was $30!!!!!

  461. Redhead says:

    Here’s some fun FB drama…
    (read the review from Michelle Becker)

    Apparently she has had her 2nd Jar filed against her now. DITF’s rebuttal was all sorts of crazy!

  462. sourpatchbaby says:

    My five year old looked at that and said “creepy, but it has tummy buttons so I likes it.” It’s all about the tummy buttons for him, lol.

  463. Abbie says:

    Holy crap, that’s long.

    I’m surprised she’s left it there. It makes them both look bad, honestly. I wouldn’t buy from her, with all the hoopla she has around her.

  464. Abbie says:

    Just went to the link to PoC, Duh! I hadn’t pieced her together as lovebeingmommy123, but I have KNOWN that person is a troll or something for a while. Just a little off.

  465. Redhead says:

    Yeah, she really bugs me because she is in the sept DDC and I think she is stalking me.
    I’ve had to ban Melissa from every form of contact after she went crazy on me last month.

  466. Redhead says:

    lovebeingmommy123 is in the DDC, that is.

  467. dundundun says:

    That’s strange because I’m pretty sure she was claiming the June DDC for a while, too. I only remember because 1)the chick is obviously strange and 2)she claims to be local to me. I never let her know I was near her, though. Eff that with a big ol’ donkey dong.

  468. Redhead says:

    if is is Melissa, you don’t want her knowing your whereabouts. Trust me!

  469. amessymama says:

    Isn’t that just a continuation of the same crazy POC drama from Dec? Those freakin’ loons are still at it? Maybe that’s a good thing. If they keep the crazy going between each other, it will keep them so busy they won’t be able to scam the rest of us! I see Melissa’s twinternet Melanie is back to make the crazy threesome complete!

    So Redhead, your budding friendship with Melissa didn’t blossom into something beautiful? Please share the gory details. πŸ˜€

  470. Redhead says:

    We did 2 trades in Dec. They were fine. At the end of Dec she wanted me to wholesale her plain dryer balls for her to felt designs onto and resell as her own. I was concerned about liability issues with this, and decided not to wholesale to her.
    I also made a wholesale requirement application for anyone thinking about purchasing from me for resale.
    Melissa then wanted to place a LARGE ($200+) order for rescent kits and dryer balls from me. She wanted to place the order before she had $$ in her PP account so “no one else could buy the stuff before her”. Initially, I did not have problem with this, but after a couple of days, it started bothering me more that she was trying to change my policies. I posted this at this other blog, which Melissa accused me of feeding information to about her.. (I had never seen this blog until she sent me the link)

    After that, (she was blocked from my FB and emails after her nasty message to me) she made up different email addresses and fake FB accounts posing as her “neighbor across the street” to let me know that Melissa was sending military police and lawyers after me for “harassing” her (I assume for my post on that blog).
    AFTER THAT, she went to the Better Business Bureau and filed *numerous* complaints against my parents farm posing as different individuals.
    We sent them her IP address and information and they dropped everything when they knew she was just retaliating. There is a lot more I can say, but it gets long.. so you can PM me on CDN and I’ll tell you the rest. Those are just the highlights.

  471. Abbie says:

    Melissa, Melanie, I was lost in the Mels.

    I had thought y’all were friends Red. That does sound pretty convincing about the DDC. One would explain the other – why she’s following you, that she would be the same person, etc.

  472. Redhead says:

    DSDM2, I posted with the wrong name.. help?

  473. Redhead says:

    We were.. acquaintances .. but yeah. She has issues. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but that was stupid of me.

  474. dundundun says:


    I can buy some, pls?

  475. momwithmany says:

    Redhead- I totally missed the throttling you got in SS. I just posted and didn’t read the rest of the comments until today. I guess I am as evil as you because I didn’t think what you were saying was horrible at all.

  476. Redhead says:

    There were a lot of things that concerned me about her post, but I guess I was looking at it from a logical standpoint. A couple of people actually messaged me and agreed with what I said.. but oh well!

  477. Redhead says:

    dundundun- I’m not making or selling ANYTHING until I get over this Hyperemesis. I spend 98% of my time in my bed or on the couch with a puke bucket in my lap.

    But when I get better, sure!

  478. JustMe says:

    So she’s just going to keep making them??? :-O

  479. Kristen says:

    479- That wahm sounds a lot like the VCB wahm. *rolls eyes*

  480. Redhead says:

    she is much more loopy than vcb! MUCH MORE

  481. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    496- She’s added the good ol’ “must be used under adult supervsion” clause. My thought: If you’re sitting with your baby and supervising him/her, why the heck would you need a leash for your kid’s toy? You can’t bend over and pick it up yourself? I’m sorely tempted to mention it in her thread, but I’d no doubt get a hand-slap and wah-wah-wah. I already got my quota on hand-slaps when a fellow WAHM was asking for freebies “to review” in the private WAHM chat room this past week and I told her it is irritating. πŸ™„

  482. DoubleRainbow says:

    Deviate – ah, NOW I know who you are…. Can’t believe I never put it together before. I thought that freebie post was weird too but didn’t have the balls to say anything πŸ˜‰ You got in trouble for that??

  483. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    LOL- I thought everyone here knew. I’ve never hidden it. I only have this name because it’s the name of my old WordPress blog, so WordPress auto-fills when I post here. πŸ˜€
    The thing that rubbed me wrong about that post was that she didn’t even use a conversational tone. It was an obvious copy + paste from her spamming email. Seriously? We don’t get enough of these in our inboxes? It’s a chit-chat area, not WAHM Info and Product testing, which, IMO, is where such a post belonged. It was just obnoxious IMO, but I’m admittedly grumpy as of late. πŸ˜›

  484. DoubleRainbow says:

    Yeah, I knew you were “out” over here but just never made the connection with who you actually were LOL

    I know what you mean … plus the fact that I’ve never even seen her posting around the WAHM forums otherwise. I mean technically there was nothing wrong with her posting and it could be totally legit and everything but it just came off wrong…

  485. ~*~Momma~*~ says:


  486. JustMe says:

    Yikes. A new “WAHM”…tester diaper pic:

    She said her mom taught her to sew when she was twelve, and she just re-taught herself in the last TWO MONTHS! uhhh, yeah…. I hope she has honest testers.

  487. DoubleRainbow says:

    JustMe – roflmbo I saw that and wondering how long it would take for somebody to post here LOL I saw that first diaper and went “Oh boy…” The other pics she posted look *slightly* better but wow.

  488. Redhead says:

    That diaper looks like I tried to sew it!

  489. ~*~Momma~*~ says:

    i have to agree 504

  490. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    504- Yeah. I honestly took 30 minutes and wrote her a REALLY kindly-worded yet honest email about how she will be ripped to shreds if she starts into the WAHM world now. Explained that her newly “relearned” skills showed, and that it was a GREAT start, but she needed to practice-practice-practice for her family and friends, but to save herself heartache, time and resources and not try selling right now. I basically told her what I wish some one had told me five years ago (though my sewn projects were not even half as bad as that) when I first tried WAHMing, and told her I’d BTDT. She freaked on me. Said I was attacking her, she uses only the best quality supplies, and she’ll be doing at least two to three rounds of testers on her YouTube channel before she opens her store, etc. I’m not knocking her fabrics- I use some similar ones from JoAnns- but she’s using thick cotton twill for the outer of fitteds and fugly flannel for the outers of her “pockets”. :headscratch: It’s less that it’s AWFUL quality fabrics, but more that it’s totally inappropriate for the kind of goods she’s making. Oh, and her sewing skills are… yeah. I explained that by calling herself a “WAHM,” she’s calling herself a professional seamstress. She seems to disagree. I guess I was just under “testers” as a product that is 99% ready to sell, professional quality, etc, not practice rounds for a beginner to become a pro in a matter of weeks. :shrug:

  491. DoubleRainbow says:

    Wow, Deviate that was SUPER nice of you to message her. I can’t believe she freaked out on you… she should really be so grateful you were willing to help her. Constructive criticism is SO much more helpful than asspats. Although with the stuff people buy off Etsy and HC, I wouldn’t be surprised if she soon gets raves on how amazing her dipes are :bleh:

  492. JustMe says:

    509, I have been scratching my head wondering who you are. It’s driving me nuts!! But Deviate and Redhead are the only people I’ve figured out who are on here. lol.

  493. Abbie says:

    Same here, 509. I only know who a handful of people are here.

  494. Abbie says:

    But that’s part of the fun mystery of it. πŸ™‚

  495. DoubleRainbow says:

    haha 510, I’m not super well known in the WAHM world so it’s not like a big secret or anything but I just kinda like the anonymity πŸ™‚ I know who Redhead, Deviate, and you (JustMe) are, but other than that I don’t really pay attention to who’s who πŸ™‚

  496. Redhead says:

    I don’t know who DoubleRainbow is! Hmm.. I need to investigate more now.

  497. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    I only know who Redhead is. LOL. I’m too slow to keep up and my mouth is too big to keep my anonymity. LOL

  498. DoubleRainbow says:

    haha Redhead, I don’t think I actually “know” you, I just know who you are.

  499. ~*~Momma~*~ says:

    I only know who Deviate is πŸ˜‰

  500. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Now I need to figure out who you are! LOL

  501. ~*~Momma~*~ says:

    lol, you are sewing for me now if that helps πŸ˜‰

  502. KTWB says:

    Haha I only know who Redhead is, because she usually says what I want to say on DS.

  503. MMspirit7 says:

    I know a few here though some don’t seem as active as before

  504. Redhead says:

    I know who several people are here, I just can’t remember their names until I see them.. umm.. I know who Abbie is, I know who MomofMany is.. I know who Melmelly, Cj and GrizzlyMomma are.. I know Deviate, NotMeAtAll, .bin., dundundun, Flat Stanley.. and that is about all I can think of off the top of my head.

  505. AugustBabies says:

    Yeah, I’m dying to know who a couple of y’all are. You all seem to say what I’m always thinking lol.

  506. JustMe says:

    DoubleRainbow – you should PM me before I die of curiosity now.

  507. DoubleRainbow says:

    haha 524, I just sent you a cryptic PM on DS πŸ™‚ (Unless I’m wrong about who you are and then somebody else just got a random message from me…)

  508. dundundun says:

    I’m not active enough on DS to care if people know who I am there. I have under 500 posts. I don’t even really read anything other than Parenting, my DDC, and OT/SS.

    I found this blog by accident one day and was like WERD! HUH-LUH-RIUS.

  509. momwithmany says:

    #526- I don’t know who you are then ,the person I was thinking of has lots more than 500 and she is in OTD all the time as well as parenting. I don’t know who many people are. Every once in awhile a clue slips out but I would have to look at old blog posts or spend time looking into it but that would actually be work (who wants that)! So I go on my blissfully ignorant way and wait for some one to tell me. Speaking of…. where is mommy grizzly? She was here all the time and then poof. Redhead how are you feeling?

  510. momwithmany says:

    Oh and just me I knew who you where and I can’t remember for the life of me now who you are. So no worries your secret is safe with

  511. Redhead says:

    MommyGrizz is busy with family, but she is around!
    I’m not throwing up 24/7 but still pretty sick. 11 weeks along now!

  512. dundundun says:

    Are you guys going to find out what you’re having, Redhead?

  513. MotherMoonPads says:

    :foottap: #522, you forgot me.

  514. Redhead says:

    didn’t forget you! Your name was already “out” – lol πŸ˜‰

    530- Yes, we might be able to find out in 4 weeks.. πŸ˜€

  515. JustMe says:

    525…haha, I never would have figured you out. And that song was in my head for way to long. Thanks. πŸ˜›

  516. Redhead says:

    I think doublerainbow needs to pm me!

  517. HRM's mom says:

    so someones citizenship could be considered spamming another diapering board wtf.

  518. HRM's mom says:

    oh I just reads the issue about citizenship on CDN lol.

  519. Abbie says:

    Um, linky? lol

  520. Abbie says:

    nm, found it.

  521. Abbie says:

    OT, but I feel like I can ask y’all a question that’s probably dumb. πŸ˜€
    I have some items to sell, and I haven’t sold anything in a long time. Where is the right place to ask a “how much should I sell this for?” question? Q&A or EF? I’ve never understood the difference in the two, and I’ve never posted in EF. I’m just not sure the going rate on a few diapers I have. πŸ˜€

  522. amessymama says:

    I don’t usually ask, I just do a search for that particular diaper and see how much they are going for.

  523. Abbie says:

    That’s the thing, I did a search but came up with that brand, but not that particular one. I just slapped a price on and an o.b.o. Maybe that’ll work!

  524. JustMe says:

    537 – huh? I can’t find what you’re talking about.

  525. Aj says:

    I don’t understand the citizenship issue–can someone please explain?

  526. DoubleRainbow says:

    Me confused too….

  527. Redhead says:

    She put CanaDiaN in her profile. The mod said it was spamming another board (clothdiapernation) when it is actually an abbreviation for Canada.
    Then when she brought it up to the mod, the mod threatened to ban her right on the spot.

  528. sourpatchbaby says:

    My money is on she had a link to CDN in the CaNaDian word. I mean I know most mamas aren’t as daft as me and would probably get the CDN reference right away, but it took me a while to get it. I guess comparing it to someone who’s only smarter than the average mouse is not a proper comparison..

  529. Redhead says:

    I don’t think there was an actual link..

  530. MMspirit7 says:

    she didn’t have a link. and it’s how redhead stated that 14 months ago she had that in there and got a pm she replied yesterday with two words helpful. thanks and the mod said she was being snarky and she could ban her which ticked her off and she she sunk to the mods level

  531. MOMWITHMANY says:

    None of that makes sense,there has to be more that we don’t know. It’s a waste of everyone’s time to go through all that if she said thank you and moved on. I know it’s”cool” to hate the mods (really anywhere,not just ds) but I have found with ALMOST all the mods are out to get me even though I am innocent cases ,there is always much more going on.

  532. JustMe says:

    550 – Agreed.

  533. Amygamie says:

    Honestly why do they even care if someone mentions another forum? That, IMO, is immature to outright ban the mention of another “competing” forum. And that goes for all forums who have that rule, just get the hell over yourselves. Anyone with google can very easily search for another forum that caters to the same general interest and will partake in activities on those other forums as well as the others.

    Making people tip toe and pretend other forums do not exists is a petty move and makes me loose respect for the board. I am sure it is a rule implemented by Lee, who I will say is a loser. Forums aren’t for making money, loser, jobs are for making money, get one so things can get a little less stupid around DS. The money you get from ads are just supposed to help you keep forum running, rather than provide a gravy train for a loser who owns a forum about something which he knows nothing about or even cares about.

    I read the entire thread on DS and on CDN and I really don’t see why they are considering CanDiaN a jab towards them. For real, get over yourself, who cares? There are bigger things going on for that to even be worth getting even slightly annoyed about. As mods and admins you should know that by now. Get off your high horses and find some bigger fish to fry.

    But…that is what separates DS from CDN. DS is a business and is being treated as such and CDN is a forum and is being treated as such. No surprise as to why more and more people are fleeing to CDN for some GD sanity.

  534. Amygamie says:

    I’m sorry I meant to say threated to ban rather than ban. And again sorry for all this gravy talk today, lol. I swear… I’m NOT hungry! <<< Not for gravy at least, blech. I am trying to tone it down on my sailor potty mouth before we conceive. πŸ˜›

  535. MOMWITHMANY says:

    That’s about to go poof! But seriously I was amazed by how many people thought the seller was rude . How dare she want her money, I mean I personally love when people bid multiple times and don’t pay me and then lose their mind in an email.Goodtimes! That thread put more people on my do not sell to list,if you think that behavior is ok I don’t want to deal with you when you behave that way to me. Plain and simple buyer messed up she should have apologized and paid and all would be forgiven. She deserved the email the seller sent because she didn’t pay (which is what it said).

  536. AugustBabies says:

    Hmm which one is the nutjob?

  537. sourpatchbaby says:

    555 I know! Some of those posts made me think of Maude Flanders screaming “think of the children, won’t somebody please think of the children!”

  538. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #556- Ther has to be a back story I don’t know about with her because so far all her posts that I have seen have been about normal ,sane stuff. But whenever her name comes up everyone talks about how crazy she acts. I have only seen her around for the last three months or so,but it shows she has been around much longer.

  539. Abbie says:

    Holy crap, what was it? I just got the email and it already shows that vbulletin message.

  540. sourpatchbaby says:

    someone asked what this site was about. They were googling and found it and weren’t sure what to think about it. They named the site by name in the thread itself! A few people said that it was just fun drama; others said it was going to get deleted for naming the site that must not be named; etc. BTW, have you guys spoken ill of someone here for not making their children say “please”? Someone said they got mentioned here for that (do not even attempt to ask me who, my brain is not nearly coordinated enough to remember the name) and it just confused me.

  541. sourpatchbaby says:

    I knew I should’ve copied the page but I was busy at the moment and forgot.

  542. HRM's mom says:

    562 I don’t know the name of the person but yes someone did make it to the drama blog for not making her kid say please because of the reason why she does not do it. Something about it making the children in to servants or some such nonsense. Basically saying that making her kid say please is a horrible thing to do.

  543. sourpatchbaby says:

    Weird, I never associated saying “please” and “thank you” as servitude. I always thought it was polite and good manners.

  544. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Kaleidoscope eyes is her name. I loved the post that says this is where the bad girls hang out. I love it ,first time ever I have been called a bad girl. I told dh I am turning to a life of crime after being labeled. He says he likes the naughty ones.LOL

  545. dundundun says:

    There was recently an article in a magazine or something by the chick who was in Blossom. It was titled something like, “Why I don’t make my kids say yes ma’am” or something. I didn’t read it. My 19mo has amazing manners and I’m damn proud of it πŸ™‚

  546. sourpatchbaby says:

    Dang, I just had a nighmarish vision of my “blossom years.” And don’t you all try to tell me that none of you went through that stage (cuz either you’re aging yourself out for being too old for it, or you’re gonna make me puke a little for making me feel old). And my boys have great manners and I love it. Heck, even when they’re being naughty they have good manners (Ducky, will you stop smashing your brother’s brains with a 2×4? No, thank you mami. I doin’ fine) lol

  547. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I loved blossom! But I never freaked out over Joey Lawrence like all my friends,he always was so dumb on the show. I even had a hat like hers and mine looked just as dumb as hers.

  548. the witch says:

    #559, there is. She loves to start and fuel the drama. She’s pretty sly though, she gets most of her drama threads deleted as will be this one I’m sure. She should have been banned a long time ago. I put her on ignore after the ffing- let’s attack the bfing moms thread she started. I can’t stand her. Such a hypocrite.

  549. adensmama says:

    Please and thank you I believe are necessary. Now…I don’t see any reason why my kids have to respond to everything I say with “yes ma’am” and “no ma’am”. I think it’s a little overboard but whatever.

    And my kids are very well behaved! Mostly because I don’t let them get away with crap, actually discipline them and follow through every time instead of just making empty threats and yelling.

  550. adensmama says:

    Oh and just in case anyone wanted a California Roll goodmama…there’s one on spots for a bargain at $100!!

  551. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    571- I’m going to start buying into the GM craze simply to turn around and sell them NIP for three times the amount. I could be a good business venture. πŸ˜‰

  552. magpiedpiper says:

    I saw on Dirty Diaper Laundry’s FB page today that Felishoe is spamming her new cloth diaper forum. Since she is banned from the big ones, I guess…

  553. sourpatchbaby says:

    Wow, she couldn’t just get a nation. She needed a whole WORLD to handle her kind of crazy!

  554. HRM's mom says:

    yipee 11 swagbucks for that, lol

    but I did not find it. sorry nak

  555. adensmama says:

    The GM “market” is freaking crazy. One day you can’t sell a NIP one for $10 and the next week they’re all on auction on spots. WTF.

  556. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #576- Yup I sold all my gm’s less than 2 months ago and practically had to pay people to take them and now several would have gone for $20+ because of the prints. But if I buy more then they will lose value again. It’s like the diaper equivalent of beenie babies.

  557. JustMe says:

    What’s with the random “oh okay”, and why can’t I get her wares page to load? Is DS down all the sudden?

  558. JustMe says:

    Okay, it’s loading now. Meh, I’ve seen worse, but I’ve definitely seen better.

  559. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    …And we thought the crazy with Down in the Forest was over. Not so much. Remember that Melanie chick who seems to get herself confused with Melissa frequently? That’s her blog, that she wrote after she accused those of us who ran the DeVries family auction of being scammers on the WAHM Feedback group on Facebook. If you haven’t joined, I’d encourage you to do so for the valuable database of feedback, as well as to decide for yourself if DITF is some one you want to do business with. She recently closed her HC due to her bad publicity and is now doing most of her business through her Facebook page under the same name. Don’t bother posting negative feedback there, though. She’ll delete it in a flash.

  560. Abbie says:

    Holy shit. The cheese has done slid off her cracker.

    Who is she in all this though? It really is a bad time to be a Mel.

  561. MMspirit7 says:

    she’s just crazy and using different emails to post under. It’s sad really and I am done. she thinks she knows me but she doesn’t funny thing is I was the mom she is hinting me to be a year ago but I am not now. I used to love drama and quite the drama whore bitch myself it’s sad to admin this is crazy. after today she is off my radar and out of my life but I will have fun for now.

  562. amessymama says:

    579-Her stuff didn’t look too bad to me but I also haven’t seen it IRL.
    What cracks me up is that she says she is not a professional seamstress. Umm, you are sewing things for money. Doesn’t that make it your profession? lol Or at least a side job?

  563. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    584- It seems people get really pissy when some one mentions that fact: WHEN YOU MAKE GOODS TO SELL FOR MONEY YOU ARE CALLING YOURSELF A PROFESSIONAL! I’ll admit, I didn’t get it when I first started four years ago… then again, I didn’t have any sales, either. LOL.

  564. Redhead says:

    You can leave FB on her review page. The only way she can delete it is to remove the whole application from her Facebook business page. And it looks like she has a couple of bad reviews already…haha

  565. smartassmama says:

    So, who was the twat who fucked with the co-ops a couple months ago? Cause she’s back. Check the spreadsheets.

  566. Abbie says:

    oops. didn’t realize I was logged in.

  567. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    587- Jody? AGAIN?!

  568. Abbie says:

    Dunno. What’s her username? I probably wouldn’t recognize it though.
    But in the last spreadsheet entry she mentions both whitneywalters & Jody. It’s the one for Enrapture.

  569. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I won’t copy and paste anything in SS,but what the heck? First she is pregnant and being FORCED to abort by controlling non caring dh. She has no one to talk to and her mom is pushing her to abort. Now she has a therapist and a lawyer to help her put the baby up for adoption. She is worried about her health and babies health during pregnancy but she was approved for surrogacy twice??? It was my life is so tough and once people started trying to help it was never mind ,all good …..delete. Weird!

  570. Abbie says:

    I know we’ve moved a couple topics past mommy2gr8kids78 now, but come on woman!

    “I posted a (what I thought) innocent thread this week that turned into drama. It’s very hard to argue your point in a debate over a computer. People cannot determine your tone or see your face. I welcome the drop in drama now. I’m looking for threads about gardening, signs of spring and friendship.”

    Really? You posted a thread about praying away the gay, and all of your thoughts on it and how bad it is, being outright careless for others in the thread of different lifestyles than you, and you weren’t trying to be dramatic? HA!

  571. not me at all says:

    I’m pissed she got away with getting that thread locked. I guess we all know how to get threads locked now. Of course if I tried that I’d get banned.

  572. amessymama says:

    mommy2gjdk9fjmfk47 or whatever her UN is, is never dramatic. NEVER!!

    Remember the unexplained scratches on the back of someone’s baby. Since there were 3 scratches it was OBVIOUSLY from the Devil. I don’t know how that wasn’t the first thing that popped into my mind. Oh maybe it’s because I’m not a dramatic freak!

    Beside wouldn’t 6, or 666 or three sets of 6 scratches be from the Devil? Maybe the baby was scratched be Satan jr.

    Then she had the nerve to get all pissy and angry when people questioned her and offered other saner explanations.

  573. dundundun says:

    Yeah, I know we’re not supposed to discuss SS here or whatever but the whole “I was cleared to be a surrogate” vs “I’m too unhealthy to carry my OWN child” confuses me. Sounds to me like someone just doesn’t want the baby and is trying to make everything else/everyone else the bad guy.

  574. Kirsten says:

    581- Lmao, nice. She had already made my Do Not Shop list during the last time she made came up here. Ripping in about how the chick who was complaining about her was fat and too lazy to potty train her kids and that their poor was brutal and then all the lies and back peddling. Waaaaaaaay unprofessional. And it appears that not much has changed.

  575. Kirsty says:

    Shoot- I’m in moderation. Boo-booed my name.

  576. not me at all says:

    I’m SOOOOOOOOOO innocent and NEVER cause drama

    Dun-I have been thinking about that for days. How could she be a surrogate if it is too dangerous for her to be preggo?

  577. Abbie says:

    I wondered the same thing, but never commented.

  578. sourpatchbaby says:

    One of these doesn’t belong..

    Regarding the SS thread, what I understood from it was that she was going to be a surro but in the testing they found something that would prevent her from being one. Maybe something that would make it dangerous for her to carry to term which would mean that her own pregnancies would be high risk as well?

  579. Snickerdoodle says:

    ERP I think this thread is about to go bye bye as a link to this site has been provided in a post. Too bad, it was an interesting read.

  580. dundundun says:

    That’s the first time I’ve seen someone change the post title to call someone out.

  581. Abbie says:

    Well. Holy shit.

    Other than insinuating she abort (which she may not have been) I agree with beaners mom.
    And I was thinking the exact same as deezee. And I understand some people are religiously opposed to BC (like mom2many here), and I totally respect that. But this girl had an iud, so she doesn’t? Sounds like God should have provided her with the know-how of the nearest gas station, grocery, or Walgreens. Because the sky don’t rain condoms. The guy is a bad alcoholic who’s been arrested more than once. Cut him off.

    I know that’s not the popular opinion, and while I’ve followed many of her threads, is never respond how I feel, nor will I lie.

  582. Snickerdoodle says:

    LOL I am rolling at Peanuts “Well I’m glad Cervical mucous is out of the title.”

    When I saw how many pages a cervical mucus thread was I was like wow that must be some exciting cervical mucus!

    Too funny!

    And I don’t’ know how I feel about the OP in that thread. Don’t know enough backstory.

  583. Abbie says:

    Cookie, do you have access to SS?

  584. dundundun says:

    Yeah, SS will clear it up for you pretty quickly.

  585. Kirsty says:

    Lol- Ahhhhhh good times. I really don’t know what the world would do without all the DS Holier-Than-Thous. Meh, I’ve seen far more questionable situations reproducing.

  586. Snickerdoodle says:


    Yeah I do, and I had read that thread which was kind of rough to read but I also gathered that there is even more history that I don’t really know about. That is the first thread that I have read by the CM OP. πŸ™‚

  587. not me at all says:

    Those poor kids

  588. Redhead says:

    The link in 601 is still up! πŸ˜€
    Whar R teh MODZ?!

  589. Snickerdoodle says:

    610- I guess no one has reported it yet and it got lost amid the FB discussion. I am shocked that thread is still up! πŸ™‚ I am glad people are able to give their opinion without it being deleted so far though.

  590. Syrinx says:

    Still up, but closed.

  591. Syrinx says:

    Ummm, that would be the link in 602 is closed.

  592. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #603-This really made my day. So often I get attacked for my beliefs and while I never expect anyone else to live by my beliefs I am so grateful that people respect that they are important to me. I try to do the same for others as well. I know this is a drama board and not the hallmark channel, so I should probably call someone a name or something.LOL But I just really appreciate when people can agree to disagree without bashing my beliefs. Thanks it means a lot.

  593. JustMe says:

    *shudder* “Wouldn’t have boughten” *shudder* I didn’t know people ever actually said/wrote that kind of hideousness.

  594. norrahsmommy says:

    Hey Ladies!! Anyone wanna cliff’s notes me in on the dramaz?!? I seem to have missed a ton while away from my computer.

  595. sourpatchbaby says: weird, it’s not letting me post this…

  596. abbie says:


  597. MOMWITHMANY says:

    It’s about to go poof! The other mama outed herself. I am not sure why everyone is so upset the op’s feedback got brought up,all those things are considerations when you trade with someone (at least they should be). The op posted a vent about a mama changing her mind I think it is fair to point out some of the reasons someone might have changed their mind. It is after all the op’s feedback it’s not like they made stuff up.

  598. sourpatchbaby says:

    it’s gone now.

  599. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    619- Exactly. Feedback- ALL of it- matters, especially in trades. jessi4jc would have A LOT more negatives if people had been allowed to leave her feedback when she had screwed them, but due to the “money never changed hands” thing, I…err, THEY weren’t allowed. Yes, my comment about backing out on customs and screwing people over by leaving them with oh say 6 skeins of yarn they have no use for because she quit responding when I asked for payment WAS passive aggressive not theoretical. Sure, I should have asked for a deposit, but she was a return customer who had been pestering me for a custom for months and I foolishly made the purchase myself on good faith. My bad, it won’t be repeated. Sweet_Fantasy_Fox took care of the situation back then, but told me unfortunately I could not leave feedback for her. I’m not the only one with a very similar story. It was just SO ironic that she would post a rant about people screwing around in transactions when that is HER MO. πŸ™„
    The last I saw was burnsis linking to her Spots’ feedback with additional negative feedback, then I went to bed. What did I miss? Who was the other mama and what did she have to say?

  600. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    Also, if you search her screen name on Extra Fluffy in CDN (unless it was moved to B, G, U or something), there will be quite a lengthy thread about Jessi’s craziness and my original transaction with her there from September/October 2009. She’s a nut bag who is a compulsive liar and stalks people IRL, according to the CDN/DS member who knows her IRL.

  601. adensmama says:

    Not believing in birth control is totally fine as long as your other beliefs match up with that. So…you’re happily married, great have as many kids as you want!
    If you’re going around town meeting random dudes at the bar, having one night stands with crazy people and drug dealers and ex convicts….probably NOT a good idea to “leave it up to God”.
    I don’t think God appreciates that level of stupidity.

  602. MMspirit7 says:

    welcome we are talking over on wahm feedback about leaving feedback for those that back out over on customer feedback to help wahms out. I am trying to get the pros and cons out so I can figure this out as i think it’s important. So if you would like please come help us out

  603. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #6233- I don’t think MRS.BRADY had any issues with using birth control. She had her IUD removed and the timing worked out where she got pregnant.

  604. angelique says:

    I’m sorry but Mrs.Brady has really brought up the weird vibe with me and this was way before “my husband just got out of jail and now I am pregnant”.

  605. angelique says:

    okay wait, supposedly her DH relapsed on drinking or whatever but can babysit the baby while she picks up an extra job?

  606. dundundun says:

    Oh, jeez.

    I just stumbled across the “it’s ridiculous for laws to exist banning smoking with your children in the car” thread.

    Major effing facepalm.

  607. abbie says:

    Yes. I have given up there. Not worth it to keep trying. The OP has her mind totally made up.

    And Mrs. Brady just worries me I guess. It’s just a big ball of sad.

  608. Tammy says:

    this girl has 91 people on her ignore list. not sure if she is on this site. is it just me or does this seem excessive? most other people said they only had one or two people on there if any at all. and she says she only puts reprehensible people on the list. there are that many of those people on DS? could be that she is very sensitive or dramatic? i dont know her on ds so i don’t know.

  609. abbie says:

    Bahahahaha! I didn’t see that one. Because she’s on mine! Roflmao.

    I said I don’t have anymore, but I fibbed. I can’t take them off because I’m not on my computer yet. And in hindsight, I’m going to leave her. She annoys the shit outta me. She is honestly quite rude. If you aren’t just like her, you’re wrong.

  610. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Yeah that was her claim to fame for awhile was that she hated everyone! She was constantly posted controversial things or saying offensive stuff. Lots of people were hurt by her comments and it was really bad for awhile but she has mellowed out in the past few years. I used to cringe when I saw her post no matter what it said because usually someones feelings were going to get hurt. But not so much anymore. I think she checks here because she was saying on ds how dead things were here,but I have no idea who she is on here.

  611. abbie says:

    Hi Shannon! *waves real big!*

  612. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Ok abbie that means you could be one of four people,but one has such hatred for me that when she’s not ignoring me she is posted passive aggressive things on my posts.LOL So that means three left ,want to give me a clue or just pm me?

  613. adensmama says:

    I’m sorry but if you have 91 people on your ignore list there is something wrong with YOU.

    I have two- one is Crunch! whatever the heck her name is, and the other one is that chick who types “God Bless!” after
    (not just because of that but because I believe/think the opposite of everything she posts and I just couldn’t deal anymore)

  614. Tammy says:

    see, that was what I thought….there must be something wrong with her. could 91 people really be so offensive that she couldn’t even stand to see a post from them? if you find that many people “reprehensible” on a site where you don’t even actually know them, how many people does she get along with irl where you have to deal with things day in and day out.

  615. not me at all says:

    Wait WHO has 91 ppl on ignore?

    I figure I am on a few lists myself. LOL

  616. abbie says:

    Kaleidescope Eyes. And I know I’m on it. Tears.

  617. abbie says:

    Is anyone else as confused as I am that DS has let the N word be used repeatedly in a thread and done nothing about it? The thread is civil, no one is calling anyone the word, but It’s been used a lot in that thread about “Trendy names for common parenting skills,” in Parenting. It’s just odd coming from the place that won’t allow the word porn in conversation, and blocks out the first 4 letters in Dickinson.

  618. not me at all says:


  619. not me at all says:

    Oh never mind I see it

  620. abbie says:

    Post 84, in case anyone else wonders. I’m just kind of shocked that of all the words filtered, that one isn’t, and It’s used a few times again.

  621. not me at all says:

    What’s up with this? I have never seen “guest” before and I though Meg was on DS

  622. MOMWITHMANY says:

    There is an option to leave a guest message and also a visitor message but I had never seen them used. There was an issue with her name being changed and her posts /feedback didn’t transfer over,but when she was asked about it on here she said something like she got it changed ,no big deal. So I just figured maybe it was for security reasons and she didn’t want to talk about it.

  623. sourpatchbaby says:

    Dang, my dream thread got deleted because some people got offended. What the heck is so offensive about a dream?

  624. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I wondered what happened to it, I thought it as funny.How was that offensive it as a dream? I didn’t see any bad things in it, I wonder if it was munchkin?? But you weren’t talking about little people you were describing a character in your dream. I have some weird dreams when I am pregnant that I know would get deleted.LOL

  625. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Yet another don’t you dare disagree with me or I will bite your head off!!!!
    I think it is really crappy that you are getting money to walk away from your house. So many people get squat and loose every thing trying to keep their house.So to ask for advice on how to get the most money seems tacky at best.And isn’t this the same op who posted she might be pregnant by her ex because they were still sleeping together and now she left because he was abusive?? Maybe it is a different ex but

  626. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Yet another don’t you dare disagree with me or I will bite your head off!!!!
    I think it is really crappy that you are getting money to walk away from your house. So many people get squat and loose every thing trying to keep their house.So to ask for advice on how to get the most money seems tacky at best.And isn’t this the same op who posted she might be pregnant by her ex because they were still sleeping together and now she left because he was abusive?? Maybe it is a different ex.

  627. Snickerdoodle says:

    Hrmmm another I am too poor and young to afford diapers PLEAZE give me Some for free thread.

    Aren’t these not allowed on DS anymore? Is she for real? I am so suspicious these days. I wish I wasn’t. 😦

  628. JustPeachy says:

    And whats funny is she bitched about the fact I have my 10 year old in the front seat and didn’t budget for a new vehicle while I was pregnant.

  629. JustPeachy says:

    Oh my bad it was linzbear. I knew it was linz something.

  630. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Well I am shocked that you didn’t do get a new car and all new car seats. I mean you had 9 months what is wrong with you??? It’s not like money is a factor ,just withdraw it from your throw away money account or sell your third vacation home. I LOVE car seat threads they are just as nasty as the BF vs FF threads. Just in case you ever felt like you *might* be doing ok they will fix it for you!

  631. Tammy says:

    you are NOT allowed to ask for free for shipping items of any kind on ds. there might be some sort of exception when asking for coupons…think there was a new rule posted about it. but all other ffs is not allowed. i think the new thing about the coupons came up because i think you are not supposed to sell them so therefore someone cannot ask to buy them…but they can ask for ffs in iso only i think.

    man, sometimes those car seat expert mamas seem super touchy. they get all up in arms thinking that people are abusing kids when really they just don’t know. so a mom ACTUALLY asks for their help and they get all over her. that attitude will make people not want to even go in their forum. educate people…don’t judge because you will just drive them away and THAT will put their child at risk even more.

  632. Tammy says:

    what do you all think of the thread about not bashing dh’s on the internet? the op seems a little high and mighty to me. like she has never said anything negative about her dh ever….yeah, right. if you haven’t, you are either hiding something or wanting people to think you are perfect. probably every mom needs a thread now and then where she can post about her dh being a jerk. with thousands of moms on DS, of course you will see these threads often.

  633. memyselfandi says:

    so who is the wahm that sent the “empty” package and outed herself? someone took a screenshot before the seller’s post got deleted.

  634. sourpatchbaby says:

    I’m going to copy and paste it here before the thread goes poof, Mrs Brady is all high and mighty because I dared mention that her husband has a drinking problem. Apparently her husband’s drinking problem is no impediment to him staying home alone taking care of her kid:

    Not really. I don’t however think that needed to be brought up here, especially AFTER I had already said I’m not going to do it. I have been trying to stay away from that topic since I was ripped a new one before. But thanks for the input. You don’t think I thought of that? You don’t think that was on my mind? Just because I didn’t display it in a parenting forum thread after being attacked and called selfish and a bad mother and i should abort my baby and yadi yadi yadda, I didn’t feel the need to include my fears/hesitations on that issue. You don’t think it scares the living hell out of me? Really, come on. Stop attacking me and read before you respond. I’d already said I was NOT going to do it.

    ETA: I am trying to move away from THAT topic, and have people see me as a PERSON and not someone they can judge and degrade. Yes, it’s my fault for ever bringing it up, but I DIDN’T bring it up in this post, and plan not to in future posts, and would really appreciate it if we could stick to the issues at hand when I do post and not make everything about my alcoholic Dh.

    Originally Posted by sourpatch_babe View Post
    Since you mentioned on another post that your husband had relapsed with his alcohol problem, would you really be willing to leave your baby with him just to make a little extra money?
    Natasha-Mama to 4 girls (9, 7, 5, 11 months) I’m a Kindergarten teaching, CDing, BFing, co-sleeping mom

  635. sourpatchbaby says:

    Forgot to add the link since I can’t remember which post it was originally put on

  636. JustPeachy says:

    Actually I am really good friends with the OP of the dh vent thread and I have not once seen her complain about her husband. And she definitely isnt trying to come off high and mighty.
    And MOMOFMANY shame on me for trying to be financially responsible and not going out and financing a car that at that time we could not afford what with a surprise baby on the way.

  637. adensmama says:

    Does anyone know what the GM “snack attack” fabric is actually called or who made it? It’s super cute but ain’t no way I’m buyin’ one of those things…

  638. kimbella says:

    The empty package Spots seller is AppleSeed:

    She outed herself on DS as “appleseed”, but her outing was her first post, and she joined in March 2011, so I’m wondering what her real DS username might be?

  639. JJ says:

    I foret which email I used previously so sorry If I caused work for anyone :/

    So I am wondering what the big deal is about Rockin’ Green. I was excited because OMG I had read people praising the everloving bejeezus out of it on DS and FB so I bought some samples and a big bag with some funk rock like a month or so ago and really, I don’t see what the big friggin deal is about it. My diapers aren’t getting any cleaner. I can’t tell the scents apart hardly. I don’t smell all those amazing and fabulous smells while they’re washing that people gush about all over facebook. In fact I don’t smell anything at all while they’re washing. My staining issues are the same as they were with my previous detergent. I know it is clean rinsing so the dipes don’t smell when they come out of the dryer but yet I see people gushing on FB saying theirs do?? Are these people just full of shit or am I missing something? What is the big deal with Rockin Green? Cause I’m not seeing the magic.

  640. not me at all says:

    I actually agree with the DH bashing stuff. I have seen stuff that would blow your mind about DH’s. I won’t say anything about him online that I would not want him to say about me.

  641. not me at all says:

    another WAHHHHHHHHHHHH delete my thread b/c everyone says I am wrong

  642. memyselfandi says:

    seems likely that she did send an empty envelope then, given the fb as jpmjjrbel.

  643. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    I had to say something to get the count off of 666. πŸ˜›

  644. Kirsty says:

    655- She’s not talking about the- Oh woe, hubby dumped spaghetti-os in bed agains or complaining the he fed the baby gravy for lunch. It seems to me she’s talking about the posts about the accusations of various abuses, addictions, explicit porn habits, etc. It just doesn’t belong on public forum. Period. If these men were posting on a forum talking about their wives being frigid or overweight or having affairs, I don’t think anyone on DS would find that excusable so why is doing to husbands any different.

  645. MrsLovewell says:

    not me at all: I came here to see if ya’ll caught wind of that :giggle:

    Has there been nothing good enough lately to merit a new post?!

  646. MrsLovewell says:

    Wow, totally just kidding. I should have clicked on the link before assuming it was the same thing. The ladies on that thread are getting quite feisty

    This is the one I was talking about…

  647. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #655- I totally agree with the op on no dh bashing. I try not to bash any of my family even MIL and that takes a miracle. I can only imagine how I would feel if dh was doing it to me. I didn’t think the op was being high and mighty more just explaining why she felt that way.

    #659- Just to make sure, I was being sarcastic, sometimes it may come across wrong but I would never say something like that for real.

  648. MOMWITHMANY says:

    Her mood is dead, not sure why but that totally creeps me out.I really hope she needs what the mamas are sending. I love it when we have so many generous mamas I just hope that it’s not a scam. I am just mistrusting anymore.

  649. memyselfandi says:

    who is the person selling items for more than they paid?

  650. not me at all says:

    I am not going to out her b/c she is doing nothing wrong.

  651. not me at all says:

    I am always shocked that someone comes on DS and the first post is a wah wah I need stuff post and people fall all over themselves offering free stuff. WTH?

  652. dundundun says:

    674, I agree.

    I mean, it’s great that people are so giving. Maybe I’m just too jaded. I’d happily help someone that I was familiar with but when a random person appears on a forum and shouts then I’m quick to cry wolf.

  653. adensmama says:

    Yeah totally agree with the DH vent thing. If I saw DH posting things about me on a forum I would be SOOO hurt and upset! And I’m not talking about “oh my wife made spaghetti five nights in a row/woke me up too early/blahblah”

    I have also been really shocked at what people reveal about their DH and his infidelities, porn/drug/alcohol/gambling addictions and what have you.

  654. MOMWITHMANY says:

    What is wrong with selling items for a profit? I sold some GM’s cheap really really cheap because they weren’t hot anymore and now I could get at lest 20+ for some but who cares if the mama resells them for the current market price. I got a fair price at the time ,the market changed so if she gets a fair price good for her.It just sounds like sour grapes.

  655. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    677- Agreed if you can, kudos. Personally, when I post stuff FS I always under-price it because it’s for one of two reasons: Either we’re not using it anymore and I just want it GONE, or I need some fast cash because I want to buy something else and don’t want to take the $$ out of checking. πŸ˜› If somebody’s selling because they know something will go for a pretty penny and they want the $$ more than they want the goods, go for it. They paid for it so it belongs to them. πŸ˜‰

  656. memyselfandi says:

    just don’t think it’s good karma…if you get a good deal on something, why not pay it forward?

  657. momwithmany says:

    Yes I definitely agree with paying it forward but it doesn’t have to be in the same way. If she sold the wool and bought food for her family and then gave away something to someone in need that to me is paying it forward. I don’t know anyone involved so I can only guess the story. You just never know what is going on where we can’t see.

  658. not me at all says:

    Pay it forward does not mean “I got this cheap I have to sell this cheap” There could be a million ways this Mama IS paying it forward. I can’t see why making a profit on something should cause her Karmic repercussions.

  659. sourpatchbaby says:

    Another give me free diapers because I need them

  660. not me at all says:

    To all of our loyal customers,

    We are writing to update you on the status of the promotion. As you may know, we were overwhelmed by an enormous number of reviews submitted in connection with the promotion, and we thank all of you who followed the rules and wrote honest, heartfelt reviews.

    Unfortunately, many of those who submitted reviews merely sought the promotion’s benefits without providing a commensurate genuine, honest review. While we initially filled a large amount of orders, we simply do not have the resources to continue vetting the reviews to distinguish those that followed the rules from those that did not.

    In order to continue as a business, we must amend the promotion. This is not a step we take lightly, but one which is necessary for the health of our business. Accordingly, we have decided to take down and remove from the site all reviews which were written as part of the promotion. All open orders using store credit and partial store credit will be cancelled, as well as all remaining store credit. In their place, we are providing a one-time use coupon for 40% off of any purchase. The purchase can be as large or small as you wish, but only you can use the coupon code-it is not transferrable, refundable, or redeemable for cash and it can only be used on full price merchandise. The coupon will be good until September 15, 2011. In order to get your coupon code you must email us at This email is only equipped to send you a personal coupon code.

    We understand that this step may frustrate some. If you have constructive feedback, we look forward to hearing from you. Otherwise we look forward to focusing our customer service efforts on customers placing orders.

    We thank you for your time and effort in writing reviews and value you as a customer.

    Thank you,

    Franklin Goose

  661. noisybean says:

    “Otherwise we look forward to focusing our customer service efforts on customers placing orders.”

    In other words, don’t bother us unless you have every intention of spending money.

  662. adensmama says:

    IF anyone’s crazy enough to spend money with those F’ers.

  663. memyselfandi says:

    meh…people get all mad if someone buys htf yarn and jacks up the price, and there’s a bunch of people annoyed about people possibly reselling stuff they got for near nothing for the amazon codes. don’t see how this is any different really.

    if I get something for a good deal, and use it, or even if I don’t use it, there’s just no way I’d sell it for more than I paid. but that’s me.

  664. AugustBabies says:

    Wow, this BrookMaple person who was seeking donations. I don’t believe for a second that she’s really the “best friend” of the person she was pretending to be. She defnitely sounds like she’s only 17. Her mood being “dead” really creeps me out too. Surprised that’s even a mood option you know? WTH? A smiley with x’es over it’s eyes??

  665. Too True says:

    I thought it was soooo sweet of FG to encourage people to “bank” their credits to use later just so they could take them away, typical, bah!

  666. mmspirit7 says:

    FG stuff is crazy i feel for all those that lost out I really do and those out of their money as well

  667. JustPeachy says:

    Im crazy. I couldn’t pass it up. I only banked 5 dollars in credits and I still got the code. If we had enough diapers that actually fit the baby, I woulda been like meh but I just bought 4 sbish magic diapers and 3 terry flats for 80 bucks shipped.

  668. HRM's mom says:

    lol 694 I have wondered that myself

  669. adensmama says:

    It looks like a baby with a drawn on mustache maybe?

  670. sourpatchbaby says:

    It looks like the baby from the Addams family.

  671. Snickerdoodle says:

    LOL 694 I have always wondered that! It also gives this certain kind of “tone” to her posts like there is a displeased mustached baby telling you what is up. πŸ˜€

  672. Tammy says:

    i’m soooo glad that ds had all the angry franklin goose mamas post to one thread. i don’t know anything about it and did not jump on the FG wagon when it all started so would rather not see 100 threads started about the FG drama.

    but there is not much posting going on here…is this site dying off? i have not been around for too long but it seems pretty slow here. less DS drama to post about lately? or is everyone just too busy to post? lol!

  673. JustPeachy says:

    Nice DS is down and I needed to check the YFW swap. I can see the home page and I could see Sonias profile but when I go to access any of the sub forums or my User CP it says database error.

  674. Snickerdoodle says:

    Yep looks like DS is down. I wonder why?

  675. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I can’t see anything it just says error 404 found.

  676. Snickerdoodle says:

    If you just try to go the main page and not the forums there is a message: is currently undergoing maintenance.

    We’re sorry for any inconvenience. We’ll be back up shortly.

    Thank you for your patience,

    Diaperswappers Team

  677. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    699- Sam is busy with other things, so she hasn’t been updating the site lately. Lack of things to discuss mean fewer posts. πŸ˜‰

  678. Aj says:

    Is this lady for real?:

    My favorite part, “These will be a fade, before you know it” πŸ™‚

  679. werd says:


  680. Abbie says:

    705 – Who is Sam?
    706 – wow. That’s just all full of oops. She should have sent that to someone to be proofread first.

  681. audlovesm5 says:

    Okay, those are hideous……and, how are they eco-friendly? Am I missing something?

  682. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I am not understanding the point of those at all! Are they supposed to keep their feet warm or is there just a huge market for ribbon wrapped baby feet? I can’t believe all my kids have survived without ribbons and bows on their feet. LOL

  683. Double Rainbow says:

    What do you mean you don’t understand the point? I mean, the listing CLEARLY states “if you put them on top of some cute socks she get them off either.” πŸ˜‰

  684. JustMe says:

    Ummmm…aren’t those just dollar store headbands or garters wrapped in a figure 8? No, seriously, we have headbands like those (except with cute bows on them, not tulle monstrosities).

  685. mamatocuties says:

    The Tootsie Wraps at least made me forget about my problems for a minute. So they ARE good for something! haha

  686. melmelly says:

    Abbie, Deviate haz the butthurts from being banned on CDN and is convinced that Sam = Mom from CDN = DSDM2.

  687. AugustBabies says:

    @713– Huh. But I thought Mom = the admin at CDN. And I thought I remember the CDN admin and DSDM2 going at it back and forth in one of the comments sections long ago. Can’t remember which one, and I could have it all wrong. But I thought for sure I remember reading that exchange!

  688. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #711- Oh that makes perfect sense now! Don’t I feel dumb. I guess people as stupid as me probably shouldn’t buy them anyways. LOL

  689. melmelly says:

    716, you are correct. I think that was sometime around last summer? And she is cdnation on here.

  690. wxyz says:

    Deviate, STFU already.

  691. JustPeachy says:

    wxyz why don’t you stfu. Deviate has a right to be peeved about the whole mess. She was treated unfairly IMO and her banning was unwarranted considering they let other twatwaffles run freely around on CDN.

  692. smurfmeat says:

    Are there any other fun diaper blogs? This place is so slow lately with hardly any new posts and pooponcloth seems to have disappeared. Where is everyone getting their drama fix?

  693. HRM's mom says:

    I was wondering where Pooponcloth was too, I have just been reading all the franklin goose stuff lol

  694. CDNation says:

    I can assure you I”m not either Drama Mama.

  695. wxyz says:

    Yep, peachy. Other twatwafles like YOU.

  696. mom24babes says:

    Haha when would have Sam have time to run this site?

  697. JustPeachy says:

    Actually I rarely post on CDN so you can blow it out your ass, douchecanoe πŸ˜€

  698. GiveMeABreak says:

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @Deviate thinking that Mom/Sam is one of the drama mamas and at Peachy too for thinking that Deviate was treated unfairly. Deviate threatened to CALL THE FBI on them when they wouldn’t give her somebody’s personal information. Why would you want somebody like that to stay on your site? She would have been furious if somebody had given HER information out, don’t you think? I don’t blame them for banning her one bit. It’s been a long time since she was banned though, she needs to grow up and get over it instead of whining and making up stories about people.

    It’s kinda surprising that Peachy is not banned from there too. She flounces off and bitches about them all over the internet over and over. Too bad she can’t just stay away. The biggest twatwaffle that’s still running around there is probably HER.

    This site was around a long time before Mom/Sam ever even thought of starting CDN, and it was really busy. There’s no way that the drama mamas would even have wanted to start a forum, or have time to run one. That’s just STUPID.

  699. wxyz says:

    yeah like yesterday peachy. Heh.

  700. MOMWITHMANY says:

    I have no idea what’s going on and it has nothing to do with me so I will just stay out of it.But I just wanted to say I never seen twatwaffle used in so many sentences or for that matter any sentences ever. I think Websters is missing out.LOL

  701. JustPeachy says:

    Did you miss the fact I barely post over there so you saying I flounce all over the place is untrue. I have no ill will against Sam but I do think Meg was treated unfairly as far as everything else was concerned. IDK anything about the FBI thing so I cannot speak to that. And FYI if I was any concern at all Im sure they would have already banned me so fuck off mkay???

  702. Hadassah says:

    I have seen a lot of Peachy’s posts, and I don’t really remember any flouncing. Shrug.

    And as for the banning of Deviate, anything she said and shouldn’t have or didn’t say and should have, SHOULD have been taken with a big old grain of her life was in a terrible place salt! I am sorry, but she was hugely stressing over her unborn baby if I remember correctly and I think it was harsh to ban her for anything.

  703. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    727- That is a complete fabrication. HERE are the facts:

    – I was being stalked and cyber-bullied by a girl from a young moms group I had quit.
    – She joined CDN the day I quit her group even though she wasn’t a CD’er so her reason for being there was obvious
    – She started following me elsewhere on the internet, harassing me, among other things- Including here!
    – DH is a computer forensics specialist and when the girl crossed a line by hacking a friend’s FB account, too, he decided it was time to press charges. He started tracking, screen-shotting, saving files, IP addresses, etc, everywhere it was taking place. After I had left CDN for several weeks, I came back and PM’d Sam, asking for the girl’s IP addresses, because we knew she accessed from several sources, including her home computer, her phone, her boyfriend’s phone, and her mom’s home. Sam said no. I told her that was fine, but told her we were making a case for cyber-stalking and bullying against the girl, and since she was not in the same state it would go through the FBI and they would likely contact her for the user’s IP addresses. She said that was fine, and she would readily give it to them. That was the end of our conversation. There was no threatening whatsoever. I made Sam as the board owner aware of the situation and she said that was fine. End of story. Sam will spin it however it suits her needs, but those are the facts.

    As for being “butt-hurt” over being banned, that could not be further from the truth. I had already left CDN for at least 6 weeks (though I think it was longer) before I logged in one day when I was having a rough go of things at home(nephew in life support and a really troubled pregnancy) and I came upon what I thought was a fun thread. Something about constipation and being a jerk on the internet. I joined in the “fun” with stupid comments and LOLCats and promptly received a rep from kwooten about taking my drama elsewhere. I repped her back and told her I was lost, had no idea what she was talking about, and perhaps she should take HER drama elsewhere. Then I was banned. Alrighty then. You can read my banning thread and clearly see that it was a personal banning, where when numerous people questioned Sam on why, she simply stated that it was HER board and she didn’t need to answer to anyone. So be it. I’m truly not upset about it in the least. Sam’s lies about the FBI threats *ARE* upsetting, but I’m a big girl and can get over it. I haven’t spoken with any of them since- Oh jeepers- July, maybe? I’m not sure where people are getting these accusations.

  704. DeviateFromTheNorm says:

    …And what’s it to anyone if I think Sam is a DSDM? I’m not bashing her for it, just saying. I’m quite sure I have always been one who has appreciated what they do here, even when a thread was made about ME. I’ve never been one who has accused the Drama Mamas of being fat, bitter hags who live their lives on the internet while their children play in traffic, so…… Why does me thinking Sam is DSDM2 = being “butthurt” about being banned from CDN? :headscratch: I thought that long before I was banned.

  705. AugustBabies says:

    Deviate- what a sucky and bizarre experience. Sorry you had to go thru that.

    Back to the foot things for a sec. I believe they’re intended to stop baby’s socks from falling/getting kicked off their feet. But what’s to stop the tootsie wraps or whatever they’re called from getting kicked off too? Also, total safety hazard if your baby can walk OR crawl, b/c I can see those things getting snagged on everything in your house.

  706. CDNation says:

    I still have all our pms. I saved them just in case. I saw all the emails between you and the stalker, the stalker had plenty to show me on your past internet experiences too. In those emails that you and she both sent to me, I did NOT see what your saw M.

    I’m not the DSDM, Never have been and prob never will be.

  707. wxyz says:

    sounds like deviate is the liar

  708. JustPeachy says:

    Well then show em cus until they are shown its a he said she said thing. I know Meg pretty well now and the idea of her threatening to call the FBI is laughable.

  709. DSDM2 says:

    I am not and will not be the owner of any board. That is way too much work.

    Neither is TDM.

    Carry on.

  710. wxyz says:

    last laughs on you peachy

  711. JustPeachy says:

    Must be nice to run your mouth while hiding behind your screen name huh? I take your words with a grain of salt. If you had any balls you wouldn’t need to hide πŸ˜‰

  712. Tammy says:

    speaking of a BULKY diaper…..this is exactly how I don’t want my children to look in diapers. people we know irl would seriously laugh at us if the diapers were that wide between the legs.

  713. HRM's mom says:

    wow that is really fluffy, I don’t even think my prefolds and a wrap look that bulky

  714. MOMWITHMANY says:

    #742- I was just coming to post this! I don’t want my child to die from crying too much so I will just send them flying through the windshield. I really think she may not be serious,it doesn’t even make sense.

  715. AugustBabies says:

    741– Oh wow, that baby looks like he has a bowling bag strapped between his legs. Doesn’t look too happy about being a part of his mom’s photo shoot either.

  716. HRM's mom says:

    omg how is she thinking she is going to drive with a baby on her lap and not be distracted. why does she just not go anywhere, she said there was only one reason she was going out, can’t her DH do that. I just don’t get why she thinks this is ok. So when is she going to start making her baby stay in the seat, I mean i think she is right at his age he is probable not just throwing a fit he just does not like the seat but at some point she is going to have to make him do something he does not like. You know I just tell my DD it is the law and she has to be in the carseat end of story. This woman has no common sense and she makes no sense.

  717. amessymama says:

    Obviously there needs to be laws on how to keep your children safe. Because there are people like her! I’m sure she’s just a troll.

  718. not me at all says:


  719. AugustBabies says:

    I don’t think she’s a troll. I think she’s sincere and believes that she has a point. I know a lot of people like this, actually. No IRL , but in certain online circles.

  720. JustMe says:

    Cloth Diaper Foundation “volunteers” have been keeping donated diapers for themselves??

  721. AugustBabies says:

    @750– WOW. I ‘m kinda speechless over that one. And the fact that they don’t seem to think there’s anything wrong with it just boggles the mind. The Cloth Diaper Foundation, man I’ve recommended them to people before. How disappointing.

  722. noisybean says:

    That is utterly appalling. How can she think this is ok?

  723. mamatocuties says:

    The CDF thing sucks. I advocate for them all the time 😦 There is no telling how many diaper donations they lost because of this, and how many families are going to lose out on a stash now. I don’t agree with the volunteers getting to sort through and keep diapers, however. Just sucks.

  724. AugustBabies says:

    Well, if you check out their facebook page it’s been a dramarific day. People were crawling out of the woodwork with their pitchforks and torches. Seems to me that CDF is addressing the issue and has apologized for it, and is now closed until further notice while they figure out how to “fix” the policy and do damage control. They were wrong– no question, but they’ve done what they can do and I hope they’re able to keep keeping on with a new policy in place, and put all this behind them. And I hope of course that the volunteers stop pilfering the donated diapers. πŸ˜‰ The fact that the volunteer in question was SO up-front about it, posting pics of her newborn stash and just mindlessly blabbing that “many” of the dipes were from the CDF….makes me think that this is probably an ingrained practice and they really were blind to it and didn’t see where it was wrong. Until now anyway.

  725. GBCF says:

    I’m surprised by the ‘how dare anyone dislike the practices’ attitude I”m seeing. (or maybe, since the CD community is the home of the ‘how dare someone resell for a profit’ attidue, I”m not. surpised..but I’ll pretend I am.)

    I understand the furstration with the ‘haters’ but not the attitude that anyone who sees any issue with this must not ‘get’ it…that ‘how dare anyone criticize’ attitude is scarier to me than just about anything else.

  726. Tammy says:

    wow…wow…wow. Can’t believe the CDF drama! Any way you look at it, it just isn’t fair or honest!

  727. not me at all says:

    I was just coming to post that spb

  728. Tammy says:

    Just checked out their website and posted a comment that is going through moderation. I will be disappointed if they choose to only post positive comments implying that the volunteers did nothing wrong and deserved those diapers anyway. That is sort of what it looks like right now…

    So they have 5 volunteers right now. I think that is what their main page said. So if each person borrows “7 or 8” diapers MONTHS before their child needs it, then it does make a difference because that is potentially 40 diapers out of rotation. Even if all their volunteers have gone through the application process, they are still not following the foundation rules of being within 2 months of the due date. And the OPERATION MANAGER did not know of this rule??? I don’t think so.

    I am sure they have helped lots of families cloth diaper but that still does not let them off the hook with any issue. Just because they are good people doesn’t mean that people that donate don’t have a right to be upset.

    But they addressed the issue and are looking to change it. My only remaining problem is that the operations manager was not following her own operation rule even if the volunteers were allowed to take diapers. She said she didn’t mean to hurt anyone which I am sure though.

  729. AugustBabies says:

    sourpatchbaby– who was outed?? The link doesn’t work, I’m afraid that thread has magically diappeared.

  730. sourpatchbaby says:

    759, the link is working for me now but I copied and pasted the info

    We are posting a public outing of DS Member and former co-op star hostess Jenifer.
    Some things have been brought to our attention and the team did some investigating.
    We are not happy with what we found and feel it is our responsibility to protect our members and let you know what happened. We also removed Jenifer from Co-ops and did a mediation with her. There are 4 other packages that we know of which are missing to out of country moms and we are doing our best to track these packages. If any of these packages arrive PLEASE contact a coop mod and let them know. We got her to refund some money that we found she kept from co-ops after crunching numbers and them not adding up. We have worked hard and bettered our coop system by now having hosts fwd the emails from the companies or wahm’s directly to us in original format to the ds co-ops email address.

    We have found the following:

    Jenifer states: Feb 1 posted saying order was being input into TF system and nothing was OOS and being made to order, last time took 2 weeks (last time was made same day as well)
    Feb 1- posted that paypal was pending on Feb 3
    Feb 3- posted saying TF said about a week (this was never stated by TF)
    Feb 8- posted saying TF emailed and stated β€œstarted processing today and to expect a shipping notice in 7-10 days” and that she was going to look for helpers
    Feb 18- posted saying she was going to call and see if it had shipped, told Liana the produce delivery to make our order was held up by the snowstorm
    Feb 18- posted that the order was being overnighted Tuesday (she still had not paid for it yet at this point)
    Feb 21- posted that her kids were sick
    Feb 23- posted that the order was there. Said she couldn’t open any boxes cause her whole family was ill and puking.
    Feb 28- posted that she had inventoried most items and 2 items were mislabeled and some were broken. (this is the day the order was paid for)
    March 2nd- realized 3 items were missing and OOS (this is the day the order arrived)

    Jenifer had no communication between 1/29 and 2/18 so the posts about emails during that time from TF are false

    TF states: they do not overnight, the order would have shipped Jan 28th had it been paid for when ordered on the 27th. Jenifer emailed on 2/18 stating she would call and pay the next morning. No communication between then and 2/28 when Jenifer called and made payment. The order shipped that same day via UPS tracking number 1Z1R07090346165358 and was delivered at approx 9am on Mar 2

    During the time her entire family was sick and throwing up, posted on facebook that she attended a baby shower. She also had Baltic Creations input fills while her sister visited from out of town but told participants she had a family emergency and that was why she couldn’t do them.

    Stated TF had a $2000 minimum (on Jan 16 and 20th in TF thread), they fact have NO minimum and require a $300 order for free sth. Also stated during the June co-op the minimum would be $1000 (3/7 in TF thread)

    Stated we could order by the half case when TF told her that was a one time thing and they did not want to do it again, therefore making DS look bad when she ordered Β½ cases again

    Upcharged TF pricing in Sept and Jan on the following items: [received the invoices from TF and compared to what she charged] (had liana help change prices on spreadsheet, telling her the prices had increased)
    * apple rings (both times)
    * roasted salted mixed nuts (sept)
    * chocolate covered almonds (sept)
    * cashew maple butter (sept)
    * diced apples (jan)
    * apricots (jan)
    * tamari roasted almonds (jan)
    * maple glazed cashews (jan)
    * sea salt and onion cashews (jan)
    * roasted salted walnuts (jan)
    * chocolate covered coconut (jan)

    TF mistakenly sent unsalted tomatoes rather than the salted ones that were ordered. Jen stated she checked with the mamas that ordered them and unsalted was fine. Actually the moms were never asked if that was OK, I’m assuming because the label does not indicate salted or unsalted.

    Underinsured at least one TF package

    Upcharged Susan0607’s TF order shipping by over $11

    At least 3 orders in TF were not shipped when she states they were and were actually shipped on 3/18 after mod intervention

    Put smaller orders in larger boxes with too much excess space causing item breakage and high shipping charges for oversized boxes.

    4 canada packages still MIA from dharma and she will not provide customs numbers

    Ship charge from dharma was 16% of cost. Asked to see invoice multiple times and it still has never been forwarded

    Posted on Feb 12 in TF thread that she noticed a difference in dharma invoice vs what she collected but she doesn’t state noticing a difference in TF invoice vs collected either in Sept or Jan.

    CHH usually drop ships her items and requested to do so again but Jenifer refused

    Stated CHH was β€œalmost completed” when it had in fact been completed for 2 days and kept giving the WAHM the runaround about paying for shipping

    Asked by WAHM to divide insurance cost among orders, stated she would just add that into shipping cost and the participants wont know, then did not pay for that insurance cost as agreed upon until mod intervention.

    Refused to allow WAHM to drop ship and therefore in stock items were delayed waiting on custom items to be made so all could be shipped to Jenifer

    Charged $2.86 shipping per participant rather than the actual cost + fees (she mentioned every order was under 2oz) The cost for 2oz including dc is $1.58 plus fees $1.94

    Split bulk coconut after being told it was against DS co-op rules to open food items.

    Charged multiple co op fees for co ops combined in shipping to at least the following participants: (this is a sample, not all)
    * Baltic Creations
    * iamnaturally
    * starsnlollipops
    * keropisunshine23
    * jaci
    * rxmama

    Has been asked multiple times to provide explanation, to no avail.

    To summarize:
    We are all very shocked and saddened at what has been discovered. Please know we take none of this lightly and even though a lot of you are very close with Jenifer, we hope you understand that we have an obligation to protect the members of DS and our actions are only furthering that objective. Please direct any questions you may have to Sweet_Fantasy_Fox, mOmof3, or IAM, naturally and we will be happy to do what we can to answer or get answers.

  731. JustPeachy says:

    Ya I got lambasted cus OH NOEZ CDF CAN DO NO WRONG. It really makes me angry that ppl act like CDF is the be all end all in the cd world. Its not there are 3 or 4 organizations I found on my own to donate diapers to and god knows how many more I will find on a google search.
    The Jenifer thing kinda shocks me. I had an issue with her before taking 2 weeks to ship some longies to me but other than that I thought she was on the up and up.

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