PSA – Something we should all know about

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PSA – Something we should all know about

Am I allowed to share the link to the blog the openly mocks, makes fun of, lies about and degrades fellow WAHM’s and forum posters?

I just feel like everyone has a right to know what those ladies are doing and that those ladies are among us here on HC, on DS and on DSD too.

Its appaulling and I feel that those ladies need to be stopped somehow.

I would like a MOD to confirm if its ok to post the link first though, I don’t want to be banned for trying to inform people.

Ahem… say what?

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  1. Shabbychic says:

    Bwhahahaha. She busted open the big secret. LMAO.

  2. sassy says:

    oh WHATEVER! lmfao!!! she’s special.

  3. cdc3030 says:

    Any publicity is good publicity, right stagnant?

  4. try me, i'm new! says:

    *snort* is a MOD (all caps cause, yaknow, they’re IMPORTANT like that) gonna come tell us to stop being bad? or appalling?

  5. not just another mama says:

    Stellercrys is a stupid bitch.. Like everyone didn’t already know about this.. Sheesh.

    That song cry me a river comes to mind, Watch out.. someone might get cyber smacked.

    I think its hilarious that she also thinks that Mods on DS can somehow police of the inter world.

  6. theinvisible says:

    I can’t access the link. What was the response? Something like….uh, no, you cannot? Way to make it worse, dumb ass.

  7. not just another mama says:

    More like poof its gone..

  8. GMLovah! #1 Fan says:

    She’s really not the sharpest tool in the shed, is she. Wah wah, they’re making fun of meee (how “appauling”, LMAO), everyone go look!

  9. Messy says:

    This totally explains why she has to steal everyone else’s ideas… She does not have a braincell in her freaking head! She has to be the stupidest person born to the earth… Or the biggest attention whore: it is a tough call.
    Stagnantcrys, how about you send a mod over here to smack me around since you don’t have the balls to do it your crybaby sellf? Now, poof and disappear, you are stinking up the place again!

  10. Taterbug says:

    The blog is not run by DS, so no, the MODS can’t do anything about it. If you don’t like it, don’t look. Ignorance is bliss.

    Sometimes, opinions aren’t nice. Just because I don’t share somebody else’s opinion does not make that opinion a lie.

    If someone actually is lying on the blog, call them on it. Be prepared to show some proof.

    No, last I heard, linking to the blog on DS wasn’t OK.

    People already know about the blog.

    Hint: If the blog contains comments that don’t make you look good, it’s probably wisest to avoid drawing attention to it. Unless you’re hoping for pity sales.

  11. DSDM2 says:

    Hey CryBaby…. You need to let the 3000-5000 hits a day we get know that it is supposed to be a secret. When you google Diaper Swappers, we are the second hit on google.

    We are not a secret. Not even close. You are however a moron, and that is no secret either.

  12. DSDM2 says:

    And how do you know that we are not Mods on DS ๐Ÿ˜€ At least 5 post here…

  13. BffMama says:

    That is straight up funny.

  14. dippy says:

    LOL as if DS MODS can tell others on the internet what to do!!!!!

  15. theinvisible says:

    You didn’t know? Lee Dodd owns the internet (because he invented it) and he has given DS mods the authority to police everything www. Duh. You guys are gonna get it now.

  16. lollerskating says:

    She should have posted the link. Too funny.

  17. jakesmom says:

    It’s called read the constitution!!! People have a right to say whatever the hell they want too. Or hasn’t this poster gotten to that part in school yet? Because it sounds like she is all of abour three years old crying to her mommy!

  18. jakesmom says:

    *to and about* sorry bout that

  19. insomiac says:

    I still can’t stop laughing at the logic in play here.
    Yes, crystal, please send people from all boards over here to read all about your amazing amount of LAME. Please please do ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. werd says:

    OH WOW! And she didn’t get banned for that?! Shocking!

  21. naturalmamadot says:

    lmfao wow Id really like to ask her why she thinks ds can control the entire internet, id just like to see her answer

  22. JustPeachy says:

    OMFG this takes the cake!
    Lies? As far as I know of no one has lied on here about wahms. We do not trash them. We simply point out wahms who are unethical or who make crappy shit.

  23. bored says:

    OH.MY.WORD. she whines worse than my 2 year old.

  24. jmama says:

    Someone called her out!

    kgreeng
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    PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Honestly Crystal, you are your own worst enemy. You ask questions that you know the answers to and it starts drama every. single. time. I find the blog in question very entertaining and informative. It outs a lot of scammers and bad wahms. HC and DS are public forums. Everybody can read what you post. They don’t have the right or the power to police other sites, nor should they.
    I could care less if you sell Elmo or Cookie Monster pants. I’m not the one who is risking enormous court costs and penalties for copyright and trademark infringements. There really is no point in constantly asking people to validate you profiting from someone else’s creativity. It upsets people and when they give you an honest opinion, you pull the drama card, threaten to close your store and whine that people are being mean to you. Yet you continue to start these drama threads.
    Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you really need to step back from the keyboard and have a good, long think.
    Off soap box now.

  25. not just another mama says:

    I feel sorry for her SO.. That poor person must be going bat shit listening to her whine about interweb bullies.

  26. melmelly says:

    I’m loving that call-out she got at HC!

  27. Messy says:

    Is stagnantcrys the eternal theif/whiner/dumbass on CDN or is that too read for her?
    Her level of stupid continues to amaze me! Does she run around naked? I cannot imagine someone with the brains of batshit being able to dress themselves in the morning! GAH!

  28. moxy says:

    Been lurking for awhile, but can’t resist finally commenting.

    You’ve gotta keep reading the HC thread…VInca Leaf Quilts’ response to stealercrys going on about how people need to complain about this blog, instead of sitting there and “letting it happen” is, um, STELLAR. LMAO

    She says:
    So, in this line of thinking, anyone seeing a WAHM who is violating a copyright should feel it’s their civic duty to inform CTW, or Bob or Bob’s Dad, or Jim Henson (may he rest in peace) of the wrongdoing? Is that what you’re really saying here…you want everyone to watch out so we can self-regulate so that we’re all doing the right thing?

    Really?

  29. Messy says:

    The call out is great on HC… Another thing someone asked the morbidly obtuse idiot: should we start informing and complaing to people about things that might violate different TOS’s. We should therefore inform Nickelodeon that she has/had/is selling sponge bob pants, inform Sesame Street that she is selling all their characters on kid butts, give the crankypants owner some more ammo to go after her hot and hard (her own words of: just like crankys only cheaper so everyone can have some roasts her own sorry skank ass).
    Ya know, I am bored, so I think I will start writing dozens of letters and emails with pics and links (I saved some so that when she removed them, as she has, they will still have the link and pic that was originally there as nothing ever disappears in cyberspace!). Yes, we need to let them know and see how long they garnish her household income for their royalties off their calculations of her sales ๐Ÿ™‚ Sounds nice, doesn’t it stagnantcrys, you smelly gal you!

  30. melmelly says:

    27 LOL!!!

    She really needs to calm down and realize that her stuff is not cool to sell. She needs to take a chill pill, calm down, and then let what creative brain cells she does have do their work. Viola! Then maybe she could make a comeback with HER OWN CREATIONS, and quit inciting drama.

    Jeebus.

  31. eeek says:

    Anything to get rid of her. Anything.

    Sadly for the actual copyright owners if they pursued that, a % of her sales would not be a large amount, she rips people off mainly for her own bitter amusement. She never sells anything, no one ever answers her posts on HC (except when she goes way too far & is called out). How does she not get that no one wants her around? She’s a self-indulgent delusional wannaWAHM. She’s not nice & she’s not fun, I’ve never seen her do anything but whine & BITCH & tantrum.

    & OMG, her poor SO. Doesn’t she live out there in Canada? Can you imagine being trapped in the woods with that much WHINING?

  32. melmelly says:

    Messy! You are on a roll tonight! I like it. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Anyway, your post #28 reminds me of a girl I went to college with. This was about 10 years ago, but she was sued by Mattel because of some weird modifications she did on some Barbie’s and had a website set up for the whole thing. She received a C&D letter, and a whole bunch of other crap. She ended up slaving away in the cafeteria (with the rest of us, even though we liked our jobs) to make some money to pay Mattel back.

    Crystal: quit digging yourself a hole. Quit stirring up your own home-grown drama. Mama’s on here were just pointing out the obvious, as in your own words that you have posted in numerous places.

  33. Messy says:

    Someone who posts on HC needs to let them know that they need not worry about their LOs pics or their posts being put on here. Stagnantcrys makes it sound like *we are the thieves* and stealing all this private information and twisting it. It is only pics of SHIT like hers that makes it here or some such silliness. Nobody on this blog is stalking anyone’s children.
    For that matter, if she says it, she needs to grow the fuck up and OWN IT. Does it change forum to forum? For her the answer is probably yes, so nevermind, no point to make ๐Ÿ˜›

  34. Kimbella says:

    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7491964#post7491964

    From the listing: “You pay fees, funded or cc, as paypal now charges for all transactions .”

    Someone needs to tell her that she should just add the cost of fees into her asking price. It’s quite the turn-ff to be told we have to pay the fees because of PP’s new rule!

  35. Thud says:

    She is sending people here for more pity. As long as she can keep rallying folks to her great and noble cause, she has a little limelight shone her way. I don’t think she cares how she gets the attention, as long as she gets it.

  36. Messy says:

    #34 scary isn’t it?

  37. not just another mama says:

    She is currently viewing the longies link that #33 provided..

    I guess shes obsessed with this HORRIBLE blog..

    Stupid moron.

  38. nver says:

    Oh boo hoo….big girl panties anyone! Please

  39. Messy says:

    Stagnantcrys is over here emitting her stench, but not got enough common sense to take up the issues *here. She wants to whine to other people (boards) to try to get pity parties for her… Or pity sales. Blech! Get a fucking life!

  40. amessymama says:

    33-I find that so annoying. Like they are the only ones being charged fees or something. Keep your ugly brown pants.

    One person has, at the top of her fsot posts, “Buyer pays fees, sorry.” I can almost hear the tone of her voice. I ain’t your buyer lady.

  41. Messy says:

    #37 Even if she *had big girl panties, which she would only own if she stole them from someone else, she doesn’t have the brains God gave roadkill to put them on…

  42. Notmyproblem says:

    Eeek! Looking at her posts at HC she was offering someone used (only once) mama pads for trade.

  43. amessymama says:

    Was there a link posted to the stellarwhines HC forum post? Or is it in the super secret WAHM forum?

  44. JustPeachy says:

    Posted.

  45. Messy says:

    I โค Peachy! Wanna make out??? :::sloppy kisses:::
    BTW, I had no idea about hacking and photo stealing on here!!!

  46. JustPeachy says:

    It happend last year back in like July or something? Someone took it upon themselves to mess with another mamas photobucket and changed her password on it.

  47. Messy says:

    Weird! I pink sparkly heart the DSDMs here that keep it clean drama!

  48. mom2jake/1ds4me/Stagnant One says:

    Would my posts get “approved” if I tried to post here? not all of them I’m sure

  49. JustPeachy says:

    In response to the longies thing I think its ridiculous that people are charging fees. I changed nothing on my listings that were up. I figure we all get screwed at one point in time.

  50. mamapixie says:

    Exactly 33, I’m just not lowering prices as quickly as I once was, since I have to pay fees now.

    Although, I will start accepting credit card payments, so that might help sales anyway.

  51. amessymama says:

    Thanks for the link 43.

  52. just_sayin says:

    Was the picture hacking thing that zonapalooza chick? The one one who was seriously messed up? One minute she was preg, the other minute she wasn’t. She kept posting these naked pics of herself on DS, or pics of her pregnant in a pink teddy (and you could see the fur, IYKWIM). Then she posted some odd story about losing consciousness during some sexual experimentation with her dh and waking up in a pool of blood. She was absolutely crazy. I think someone hacked in to her photobucket, right?

    Oh, wait a min, maybe it was the Russian chick who had all the naked modeling photos of herself in photobucket? Jonasmommy, I think it was. She bought like 4 GM wishboxes to resell at a higher price while her dh was working in the middle east as a contractor?

  53. JustPeachy says:

    #51 ya that was it. Jonasmommy aka Twatwaffle Tanya.

  54. try me, i'm new! says:

    #51…ah, names of drama past.

  55. monkey says:

    #33

    I won’t buy from people who do that. I wouldn’t do it when only CC got fees (and I don’t even use a CC)! Build it into the price of your merchandise. IMO the SELLER needs to cover the fees (by adjusting their price). THEY are the one who wants to sell so THEY should price their goods accordingly.

  56. amessymama says:

    51-WTF!!

    I always kind of thought that zona chick was a little off, but dang!! I do remember her avi though. It was a pic of her looking all greasy and strung out, nursing a baby. I could almost smell the stench through the monitor.

  57. just_sayin says:

    55 Yeah, we had lots of fun with her on BG. Sigh. Back when drama was fun. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Now it’s just full of scammers.

  58. thewitch says:

    *snort* aw yeah, bring it on. I’m bored anyway.

    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=767735

  59. Messy says:

    #57 The people that really wanna leave JUST DO IT. They don’t make big dramatic announcements that scream of their begging for someone to tell them they are ok and not to let the bad people win @@ <— Yeah, stagnantcrys that is how you do it. Posting like she is screams pathetic attempt at more attention and for people to beg her to not leave them so she feels important. And there are those that will :::sigh::: Oh well, she is good for a drama post!

  60. JustPeachy says:

    YAGE.
    Although I do like her and I don’t think she is a leech or anything. I realize I am the minority but I sympathize with her because I realize alot people think my priorities are skewed. However what you don’t realize is sometimes theres more to it then what a person lets on.

  61. Messy says:

    Her thread of “goodbye but beg me to stay while I read your replies” has morphed into a chat about the blog… Watch it go poof!

  62. screenname says:

    The drama llama post made me spit my water. LMAO!

    Ah, the Jonasmommy drama. Good memories there. Post 88 is where her photobucket account was hacked.

    https://thedramaofdiaperswappers.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/talk-about-inflating-prices-for-profit-and-being-a-bh-about-it/

    See? That’s the beautiful thing about this blog. Even when one of the drama followers goes too far, they aren’t protected. Comments are not deleted. What you say here stays here.

  63. amessymama says:

    Yeah, she was one that I had a hard time reading. I can usually smell BS from miles (no pun intended, really) away. But w/ her, sometimes I wanted to call BS and sometimes I believed her.

    I do kind of feel bad. But she could come on here and let it all out.

  64. Messy says:

    …and out comes the “what example are they setting for their kids” whinabitchaboutit. If everything we do, even in private, is setting an example for our kids, then we all have some serious issues for our kids to get over!

  65. Messy says:

    PSSST MILES: MOST OF US ARE NOT NOT NOT BANNED FROM DS!!! GREAT THOUGHTS THOUGH… TOO WRONG!

  66. thewitch says:

    Why all this lying and sugarcoating surely is the right thing to teach our kids isn’t it? Well isn’t it? I know.. let’s ask the ds mamas, they know everything but they probably won’t tell you what they really think. That’s not nice. Better go with the majority and not risk somebody getting offended.

  67. mamapixie says:

    Ooh, Miles is involved now? Dude, that chick bugged me, she’s one those super needy types that drive me bat-shit crazy.

  68. Messy says:

    Oh yeah, Miles is eyeball deep in leech shit.

  69. Erin says:

    Miles, not banned from DS . Congrats for getting your name in here, just as I’m sure you always wanted.

    Stealercrys- shut the f**k up, bitch.

  70. amessymama says:

    stellercrys
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    Re: I am leaving…
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Miles
    These are girls and I use girls because like you said they are acting like HS girls, have been banned from here and they do have kids. And you so took the words out of my mouth. What are these girls going to do when their kids end up in trouble due to doing what their mommy is doing? What are they showing them?

    I can be a B to a point, but its only if someone is being dumb and really pi$$ing me off. Im not rude or heartless.
    Most of them as far as I know are actually NOT banned from here…
    I had asked about if something could be done if the moderators here knew who they were, but was told that the mods here can’t monitor what they say in other places, so basically you can say whatever you want, do whatever you want and be any type of person you want and still be allowed here, as long as you do those things else where.

    So technically, going along with that theory, we could have murderers and such among us but as long as they aren’t commiting those crimes ON the DS boards, then the mods won’t ban them…. Thats the jist I’m getting from it.
    __________________

    I can’t even formulate a response, so I’ll leave it to you guys.

  71. Messy says:

    The bottom part of your post #69 is stagnantcrys’s response… She is the one saying the bottom two paragraphs.

  72. Messy says:

    I think that there are thieves and morally bankrupt people posting on DS, but stagnantcrys is still there…

  73. amessymama says:

    Yeah, I know that was a crappy c&p by me.

    But I thought they were both quote worthy.

  74. amessymama says:

    Dude, my 1y/o DD is here helping me post. She knows when to call BS. ๐Ÿ™‚

  75. mom2jake/1ds4me/Stagnant One says:

    #69

    Bite me.

    Why not email or PM me, you really need to come over here and hide behind the DSDrama gang to say crap like that?

    If you don’t like me then ignore me.

    I’m sorry that everyone here disagrees with what I have to say. I know I’m not a bad person. I may have made wrong decisions in the past (the spongebob pants come to mind, but that was quite some time ago, and I don’t do that anymore).

    You think I’m making ELMO pants, thats your opinion, but if I wanted to make elmo, the pants would look a heck of a lot better than that. Those are red monster pants. If someone comes to me saying “can you make me elmo pants” I say “no, but can make you a red monster that your 2yr old would probably still associate with Elmo” (since a 2yr old doesn’t really know many other “red monster-like” characters, so thats what they would associate it with).

    Anyways, since the copyright thing was pointed out to me back in spongebob days, I haven’t done anything like that again. I honestly didn’t think my red monster (or blue monster for that matter) looked enough like the sesame street characters to be violating any copyright. Yes they are the same color, but they don’t look like them. (Not to me, and not to many others, but of course some people might think it does, its all a matter of opinion).
    I’ve been contemplating contacting the creators of sesame street to see if they would have a problem with my red/blue monster pants (seeing as I’m not advertising them as their characters). Why would I be thinking to do that if I was trying to purpsely rip them off.

    I’m sure many of you don’t care to hear what I have to say and won’t believe anything that comes from me. But I’m saying this to you with all honesty; I did make mistakes in the past, but for quite some time now I’ve been trying to show everyone that I’ve learned my lesson, and since I learned about the copyright issues, I have not made a pair of pants with a character on them, and I don’t plan to.
    But its sure hard to try to show people the “new” me, when everytime I try to post somethng, or respond to someone elses post, someone from here always has to make some remark to me about the past.

    I really wish you could all just let it die and put it behind us. We all deserve another chance don’t we?

    And not that it makes a difference at this point, but I never had anything in my signature about “knock off longies at a cheaper price” or whatever that person said earlier. I’ve always called my longies monster pants, never knock-offs, so somewhere the information is getting mixed up or made up. JFYI

  76. werd says:

    I don’t even have the energy to go here with you all. I’m ovaries deep in obnoxious drama at CDN and I feel that if I don’t step away from the interwebz for like the rest of my pregnancy, I may end up with a preemie, or a brain hemorrhage. Seriously.

  77. just_sayin says:

    Oooh, CDN drama? Do tell….

    #76, WTH did you name your longie pic Elmo?!?! Poor you. everyone is out to get you. It’s been so hard for you. You have worked so hard coming up with your own ideas and making a niche for yourself, and all the haters are just bringing you down. {{{{CYBERHUGS}}}}}

    [that was sarcasm, in case you missed it, it was pretty subtle]

  78. cdc3030 says:

    Oh Comeone Crystal! You have posted the “wah, do these look like knock-offs to you” more than once! What the hell do you want people to say???

    YES YES YES.

    So stop asking. If you want to make them, go ahead! I dont give a flying fuck really. Just quit asking for so much validation.

    Baby.

  79. cdc3030 says:

    Shit. “comeon” I meant.

  80. just_sayin says:

    Exactly 79. If you have to ask, then it DOES look like a rip off. Jiminy Christmas. This isn’t that hard. Why don’t you just buy some nice hyena yarn, and machine knit regular longies with nothing on the butt?

  81. mom2jake/1ds4me/Stagnant One says:

    #78

    No its not poor me.

    I did find my own niche, my niche is knitting with my hand-worked knitting machine, using my OWN pattern. I knit giraffes, trains, headphones, hearts, flames, etc these days, not copyrighted material, thats in the past.

    And I have worked hard, at trying to get past the past issues that were pointed out to me before. I’ve been trying to use my own ideas and trying to ignore that old stuff and move forward.

    I named them elmo, because like I said, I was told they looked like elmo. So it was easy reference. If you don’t like what I name my photo files, too bad, its my choice what to name them, and really none of your business.

    I’m not B*tching because “your all after me”. I’m b*tching because I think whats going on in this blog is wrong. I don’t have a problem with free speech, or if you all wanted a place to discuss topics that DS won’t allow. But when your getting malicious towards people, I find that very rude. Perhaps your not one that would get upset to find out that hurtful things were being said about you, but many people do get upset, myself being one of them. I just don’t think its right.

    Of course, I don’t expect people here to stop what they are doing, but maybe a few of you will step back and think about how many people your hurting.
    If someone posts a dumb post on DS, haven’t done anything wrong, but how they said it makes you think they are stupid, someone jumps on here to post about it and you all make fun of them. Why?
    If you said something that people thought was stupid but you thought was heartfelt, and then you read that someone here posted about it and everyone was making fun of you and saying mean things would you not be offended by it?
    (and if your answer is no, then I really don’t know what else to say, because you obviously don’t care about the feelings of others then).

    I just don’t know what to do at this point.
    I enjoy my work and that I’m able to do it from home and do not want to stop.
    But at the same time, I don’t know if I can really take being constantly made fun off for the rest of my WAHM career. Can’t we just comprimise? You leave me alone, and I’ll continue to not knit copyrighted subject matter? We can all just leave each other alone?

  82. mom2jake/1ds4me/Stagnant One says:

    #81

    When I knit things like the red monster pants, I don’t think they look like copies. So then I go and show them or a photo of them to someone because I’m proud of them. (nothing wrong with being proud of your work). and then someone says “hey that looks like such-and-such” or a mod says “you might want to take that photo down, people might say they look like such-and-such and create problems”.

    So then I start to second guess myself, and think, do most people really think that I was trying to make such-and-such character? So then I go to a WAHM Chit Chat area and ask about it. Because I respect the opinions of my fellow WAHM’s. (although I don’t respect the WAY that some of them express those opinions).

    I’m not looking for attention, I’m looking for support, which is what I thought those areas were for.

  83. mom2jake/1ds4me/Stagnant One
    It would be a lot easier for your posts to be approved and show up if you weren’t changing your name with each post.

  84. mom2jake says:

    84

    not sure if my last post made it, it just dissapeared from my screen but I was just going to say that I just registered for a wordpress username, so it won’t be changing from mom2jake now

  85. All of your posts should show up if you hit submit. We show no Pending posts right now.

  86. Kelolsen says:

    Miles is defending?

    Oh Miles, Miles, Miles…. don’t you have back rent due? isn’t today payday for your family members? I’m sure they have money they want to keep “loaning” you.

  87. Me says:

    I named them elmo, because like I said, I was told they looked like elmo. So it was easy reference. If you donโ€™t like what I name my photo files, too bad, its my choice what to name them, and really none of your business.
    ______________-

    You are so full of shit. You couldn’t identify your longies before someone told you they looked like Elmo?

  88. Thud says:

    Crystal~ people have let go of the Cranky thing (which was never in your siggie, you stated it in posts,) but you know what, whenever it dies down YOU bring it up again.
    You are your own worst enemy. People let things go and you jump up and down begging for attention, even if it is negative.
    You also slammed other maker’s yoga pants as too expensive and you were going to make yours cheaper.
    You bought and sold a number of items from others (ie a fitted, just before you began making fitteds…) in ways that suggest you were just wanting to see the design.
    You have quit and started again innumerable times when you needed a pity boost.
    It is more than the copyright items.
    People canleave things alone when the WAHMs are being honest and forthright, but some people value the communities too much for the manipulation lying and pity parties.

    For someone so against this blog, you have gone to a lot of trouble to make an avi and keep reading and posting.

  89. Rain Cloud says:

    LMAO great to have some drama after such a long break!

    :rolleyes”

  90. Thud says:

    What follows is some of the ongoing Cranky stuff so we can all see how it rols with Crystal. Not to mention that in NOv. 2007 she changed things knowing she couldn’t do Elmo, in June 2008 she name Elmo makers as theives… I didn’t bother (or have the time) to sort out the poor me/ bringing it up again posts, but thought these were worth having for posterity. Not because the CP thing is or isn’t resoved but because of the pattern of back-pedaling and backhanding.

    Crankies (things are still congenial between Amy & Crystal):
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=260303&page=3&highlight=crankypants

    Post #29 in November 2007 ~ Crystal says that she has just been informed she can’t do Elmo etc.
    “-I’m offering characters to look like your childs fave tv characters (not exact replicas, and with differing names *you may have to refresh the screen, because I just changed the names after being informed that I can’t use “elmo” etc*)”

    Six Months Later, now knits:
    “Cranky Inspired”
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397921&page=2&highlight=crankypants

    By June 2008, Crystal has been asked by Amy (CP) to cease and desist and says she may nto continue making monster pants(post #4):
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442630&highlight=crankypants

    Post #15 (Amy’s Reply):
    Crystal, I feel like you are misrepresenting what I said to you in that email. I went out of my way to let you know that it was not my intention to write an email threatening to sue you, but rather one asking you woman to woman to respect my design and to stop filling orders for customers asking you to make “Crankypants knock offs” while telling you that you were talented and could do really well coming up with original designs of your own. When you thanked me for keeping it off the public forums, I assumed you would do the same.

    Post #17 (Crystal’s Reply):
    Amy, I will email you shortly.

    I didn’t want to bring this to the public forums, but I thought your email to me could be helpful in helping this mamma with her question.

    I know that you don’t want to lose customers because you are trying to make a living, but the ones comming to me are the ones that can’t afford a $200 pair of pants (your auctions go that high or more).
    Why shouldn’t they come to me, or another WAHM who can offer something similar, NOT the same, just similar.
    I am just trying to make a living too, and to tell you the truth, I don’t MAKE anything on my business yet. I’ve had only a few orders for monster pants (not “crankypant knock offs”)
    If you can’t make a living on $200 per pair then I don’t even know why I bother with mine at 50-60 a pair…..

    And Post #19 (Crystal):

    I just wanted to say that Ihave made an announcement in the WAHM announcement section, for anynoe who cares to read, that I will no longer be making monster pants that are as similar to crankies as I have been.

    Again in June 2008 (this one is ironic, as she knows an Elmo item is WRONG):
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457764&page=3&highlight=crankypants

    Post 22

    Yes, they are inspired from crankypants.
    Are all the “angry” moms going after the ladies painting the hungry catipillar onto shirts or knitting them onto pants? or an elmo diaper? Thats the same thing, only I purposely made changes to the design so as not to be a copy and I don’t call mine Crankypants.
    I put a LOT of hard work into my items so I don’t feel like I am piggybacking. I’m not saying that the only thing that matters is the legal part, I just added it in for those that ARE concerned with it.
    People will look at mine and think, hey those look similar to crankypants, but they will be able to easily tell that they are NOT, the mouth is a dead give away. I wouldn’t make them if they were copies.

    #40 Amy Weighs in:
    Yes, I can definitely ask her to stop, and I did. The design is copyright protected (you cannot patent design) and I thought it was too close so I asked her to stop, which she agreed to do. She even made a big announcement about it here and at Hyena Cart. In the past, Crystal had replied to people saying her that her designs were too close to mine by telling them that I said it was okay. I emailed her to make it clear to her that this was not the case. It is not okay with me. Yes, there are small changes. Yes, it is possible to take an original idea and change it justenough to skirt around copyright law. No, that’s still not okay with me. I have spent years building my brand and I have taken great pains to expand in an ethical way so that people can get the original “Monster Booty” longies without sacrificing the hand knit quality and without exploiting anyone. They will be available in quantity, hand knit by a Fair Trade Federation certified knitting cooperative of head of household mothers at non-auction prices with no stalking by the Fall.

    And Amy at #43
    Common sense wise, if it was “different enough”, there wouldn’t be “Monster Booty” (the name I’ve been using for my pants for years) in the title of this thread and “Crankypants” in the description, I wouldn’t think. You must be able to see how it feels like my brand and original design are being used to sell someone else’s product. I’m not making attacks on anyone’s character or anything, I just want it to stop.

  91. Thud says:

    What follows is some of the ongoing Cranky stuff so we can all see how it rols with Crystal. Not to mention that in NOv. 2007 she changed things knowing she couldn’t do Elmo, in June 2008 she name Elmo makers as theives… I didn’t bother (or have the time) to sort out the poor me/ bringing it up again posts, but thought these were worth having for posterity. Not because the CP thing is or isn’t resoved but because of the pattern of back-pedaling and backhanding.

    Crankies (things are still congenial between Amy & Crystal):
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=260303&page=3&highlight=crankypants

    Post #29 in November 2007 ~ Crystal says that she has just been informed she can’t do Elmo etc.
    “-I’m offering characters to look like your childs fave tv characters (not exact replicas, and with differing names *you may have to refresh the screen, because I just changed the names after being informed that I can’t use “elmo” etc*)”

    Six Months Later, now knits:
    “Cranky Inspired”
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397921&page=2&highlight=crankypants

  92. Thud says:

    ๏ปฟBy June 2008, Crystal has been asked by Amy (CP) to cease and desist and says she may nto
    continue making monster pants(post #4):
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442630&highlight=crankypants

    Post #15 (Amy’s Reply):
    Crystal, I feel like you are misrepresenting what I said to you in that email. I went out of my way
    to let you know that it was not my intention to write an email threatening to sue you, but rather
    one asking you woman to woman to respect my design and to stop filling orders for customers
    asking you to make “Crankypants knock offs” while telling you that you were talented and could
    do really well coming up with original designs of your own. When you thanked me for keeping it
    off the public forums, I assumed you would do the same.

    Post #17 (Crystal’s Reply):
    Amy, I will email you shortly.

    I didn’t want to bring this to the public forums, but I thought your email to me could be helpful
    in helping this mamma with her question.

    I know that you don’t want to lose customers because you are trying to make a living, but the
    ones comming to me are the ones that can’t afford a $200 pair of pants (your auctions go that
    high or more).
    Why shouldn’t they come to me, or another WAHM who can offer something similar, NOT the
    same, just similar.
    I am just trying to make a living too, and to tell you the truth, I don’t MAKE anything on my
    business yet. I’ve had only a few orders for monster pants (not “crankypant knock offs”)
    If you can’t make a living on $200 per pair then I don’t even know why I bother with mine at
    50-60 a pair…..

    And Post #19 (Crystal):

    I just wanted to say that Ihave made an announcement in the WAHM announcement section, for
    anynoe who cares to read, that I will no longer be making monster pants that are as similar to
    crankies as I have been.

    Again in June 2008 (this one is ironic, as she knows an Elmo item is WRONG):
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457764&page=3&highlight=crankypa
    nts

    Post 22

    Yes, they are inspired from crankypants.
    Are all the “angry” moms going after the ladies painting the hungry catipillar onto shirts or
    knitting them onto pants? or an elmo diaper? Thats the same thing, only I purposely made
    changes to the design so as not to be a copy and I don’t call mine Crankypants.
    I put a LOT of hard work into my items so I don’t feel like I am piggybacking. I’m not saying that
    the only thing that matters is the legal part, I just added it in for those that ARE concerned with
    it.
    People will look at mine and think, hey those look similar to crankypants, but they will be able
    to easily tell that they are NOT, the mouth is a dead give away. I wouldn’t make them if they
    were copies.

    #40 Amy Weighs in:
    Yes, I can definitely ask her to stop, and I did. The design is copyright protected (you cannot
    patent design) and I thought it was too close so I asked her to stop, which she agreed to do. She
    even made a big announcement about it here and at Hyena Cart. In the past, Crystal had replied
    to people saying her that her designs were too close to mine by telling them that I said it was
    okay. I emailed her to make it clear to her that this was not the case. It is not okay with me. Yes,
    there are small changes. Yes, it is possible to take an original idea and change it justenough to
    skirt around copyright law. No, that’s still not okay with me. I have spent years building my
    brand and I have taken great pains to expand in an ethical way so that people can get the original
    “Monster Booty” longies without sacrificing the hand knit quality and without exploiting anyone.
    They will be available in quantity, hand knit by a Fair Trade Federation certified knitting
    cooperative of head of household mothers at non-auction prices with no stalking by the Fall.

    And Amy at #43
    Common sense wise, if it was “different enough”, there wouldn’t be “Monster Booty” (the name
    I’ve been using for my pants for years) in the title of this thread and “Crankypants” in the
    description, I wouldn’t think. You must be able to see how it feels like my brand and original
    design are being used to sell someone else’s product. I’m not making attacks on anyone’s
    character or anything, I just want it to stop.

  93. not just another mama says:

    Miles has created drama on EVERY SINGLE BOARD SHE POSTS ON.

    Seriously.. Drama bitches stick together.

    Stellercrys is her new padawan. They shall bitch in moan till the end of the internets.

  94. Thud says:

    A little more:
    Crystal brings up the Cranky thing herself:
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=602038&highlight=crankypants
    “So what would you like to see on a pair of longies. I’m kinda done with the monster face because I’m getting a lot of harrasment for it, but thats another story.”

  95. moxy says:

    Does anybody else find it ironic that kowalski (robin from tush) is posting to this blog about her own drama with the t.u.s.h. lady? https://thedramaofdiaperswappers.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/shades-of-craezy/ #113, 129 and following

    After all, when korin (connorsmamacrap) cries on HC because some mean ladies have something to say about her substandard knitting, this is what robin says:

    NocturnalMama

    Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:02 pm

    pretty sure it was one of the WAHM gestapo… better known as the drama of ds blog. I’m quite confident they have nothing better to do with their time than criticize WAHMs… let it go, have confidence in what you do and MOOOOVE on! (I’m sure I’ll be next on their witch hunt list for posting this… *sigh*)
    _________________
    Robin
    tush

    http://hyenacart.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=108663

  96. Kelolsen says:

    Miles loves to see herself as the wronged victim bullied by internet meanies so its natural she’d glom onto someone else who feels the same. Its easier to do that than actually do the right thing and get your priorities straight.

  97. TL says:

    *clap clap clap clap* Love it!! I love it when people get their A$$ handed to them on here lol. I love it even more when they come to try and defend themseves with stupidity and lies and then it happens all over again! lol. This has been really enjoyable ladies! thanks!

  98. Messy says:

    ROFLMAO!!! OMG!!! Stagnantcrys just accused me of hiding behind a screen name over here!!! ROFLMAO some more!!! That is by far the funniest thing I have ever heard of! TY for the laugh…
    Oh yeah snatchjr, if something looks enough like something else to name it that, then, yeah, it is probably a copyright violation. Also, if something is inspired by something else and looks like it, then it is also a blatant attempt at stealing someone else’s work and making money off of it. Geeze. Put down you book of “Its A Snatch Moral Business Code” and pick up “Get a Life for Thieves”.

  99. Messy says:

    #96 Stagnantcrys brings the loonies to dance to her fucked up toonies…

  100. monkey says:

    “Those are red monster pants. If someone comes to me saying โ€œcan you make me elmo pantsโ€ I say โ€œno, but can make you a red monster that your 2yr old would probably still associate with Elmoโ€ (since a 2yr old doesnโ€™t really know many other โ€œred monster-likeโ€ characters, so thats what they would associate it with).”

    I think this says it all. You know that a child (and the parent who buys the item) is going to think they are “Elmo” pants. You know that’s going to be a selling point.

    If you want all of this to “die down” stop trying to sell knock off pants (which you obviously have been based on the previous posts) and quit asking people to support your intellectual property theft.

  101. Messy says:

    Monkey, she does not want it to die down! Her blood thrives on this kind of drama and pity sales. It is also a way for her to make herself feel wanted/needed/popular by begging others to help her in this fascade of “rightfullness” that is really just a pathetic attempt to get attention and pity money. Sad really.
    …off to hide back under my rock so that nobody knows who I am:::looking around suspiciously at all of you!!!:::

  102. screenname says:

    Here’s a clue. If you want the drama to stop being about you, stop bringing the drama. Stop trying to make designs that are just thismuch different from the original creator so you can ride their coat tails to success and then posting about it asking everyone to tell you that it’s ok.

    Here is what I don’t get about you. You can actually make nice pants. You aren’t like Amski who decided to become a WAHM overnight. You have experience and talent. Add in a little resourcefulness and creativity. Make up something that is your own, now your own version of someone else’s design.

    The thing about the cloth diaper world is that there will always be new buyers. People become parents and then start looking for cloth diapers. If you want everyone to forget the past, then stop bringing it up. Stop repeating your past mistakes. And if you do continue to make knock-offs, then stop asking everyone if it’s OK. They will say it’s not. Then you will flip. Then you’ll end up here.

  103. screenname says:

    *not instead of now

  104. Messy says:

    #102 But… But… Butt… Big Ole Butttttt… Then how will she make pity sales? And feel like she is the popular girl trying to stop the wrongs over here? Look at all the people that want her to IM them the names of those who have stores and the info she has on people here! That has to be blowing her ego up like a hot air ballon! She is incapable of understanding the difference between good and bad attention. She thinks she is making friends/sales by doing this… In her twisted mind everyone that agrees with her is really sucking up to be her buddy! It is scary the way her mind goes in truely bizarre circles of psycho.

  105. BffMama says:

    A few things:

    1. Messy is now making out with peachy and I’m sad.
    2. It takes a lot for me to just ignore what someone comments, but congratulations, stagnant whatever your name is, you are the big weiner. I read your first comment here and really it was enough to let me know how you operate.
    3. Werd…now I have to figure out what drama you’re talking about. But NOTHING is worth risking that little boy’s safety and mama’s health and well- being.
    4. Miles is delusional. She takes any opportunity to bash CDN bc some mamas didn’t ‘agree’ with her and as far as I’m concerned, those two (Miles and Stagnant) are two peas in a pod.
    5. Thank you to the DramaMamas.

  106. NewfieMomma says:

    Quoting “eeeek”
    “Doesnโ€™t she live out there in Canada? Can you imagine being trapped in the woods with that much WHINING?”

    Really? Learn your geography before talking out your ass. Canada is not all woods and we are not trapped here by no means. We really do have big cities; we don’t all live in log cabins in the middle of nowhere. I even have supermarkets, malls, movie theaters and houses with indoor plumbing!! *Gasp! Imagine!!*

  107. cdc3030 says:

    I think this blog does do some good stuff, calling out scammers, identifying guilty parties, etc.

    Some of you are also pretty bitchy, apparently trolling HC or Etsy to find someone who’s sewing/photography/knitting is not up to your standard — or even liking, and then you make fun of them. That is pretty un nice. I think some customers might not like to buy from people who are so snotty. I know some of you are not WAHM’s, and there are many more lurkers than posters.

    I do fear for the day that one of my products end up on your craptastic list here……

    So, I dont think it would hurt some of you to be a bit nicer, and say things that you would only say if you were face to face with the WAHM.

    But, hey, Im here, this blog is a laugh when it is not actually helpful…..so party on folks!

  108. cdc3030 says:

    106 —

    Comeone, you live in Newfoundland? I am sure that is all iceflats and woods. Now, Toronto might have big buildings…..but surely not Newfoundland?

  109. NewfieMomma says:

    #108
    Haha I kid you not!! We have big buildings, high speed internet, restaurants, thriving businesses etc. Oh and the iceflats are here and gone; too warm for them right now. The woods are great as well; lots of wildlife, peace and quiet!

  110. Messy says:

    Now I am sad. BFF and Werd know what some drama is that I do not and it is driving me nuts ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

  111. Messy says:

    I can’t even count how many times a WAHM started out here on the “hit list” but then explained herself and ended up being the person in the right. Those mamas come here, under heat, and plainly explain what is what and how even when we think there is no way in hell that they could be right, in the end they are! Ya know why? Because they are upstanding WAHMs who strive to put out a good product and keep their customers happy. They do not steal other people’s ideas; they do not ride the coat tails of other WAHMs who have made their own niche in the community; and they do not make up drama for attention.
    This is not a horrible place… Unless you are a whiny thieving loser who needs pity sales and attention.
    Hint: If you think your product looks enough like a “red monster” to name it “elmo”, don’t come to DS and ask us to swear it looks nothing like “elmo” so you can get attention and pity buddies. You knew it looked like elmo, you just wanted more attention… wahhh stagnantcrys sitting around stinking up the discussions.

  112. mom2jake says:

    Nope don’t want all your bad attention.

    Just for a little experiment, how about you all leave me alone for say a year. And then if I haven’t made an “elmo” or a “cookie monster” or anything of that nature, you just contnue to leave me alone?

    Seriously, all I want is for you all to stop talking to me.
    Heck I’ll even quit posting threads asking for opinions from now on.

    How about it?

    **Oh and if there are bunches of people comming to me wanting to know the link, they haven’t pm’d or emailed me. and as for knowing who everyone is ect, I don’t. And don’t care to do the research to find out. I know that two other people you’ve made fun of know, because they have told me some people to look out for, but I really don;t know, and I’m not going to go out of my way to keep a list of who is who.

    So tell me, aside from “packing up and dying” what can I do to get you guys to stop talking to me or about me?

  113. Sharpie says:

    Wow there sure is a lot of twatwaffle going on up in here and it ain’t even Tuesday.

  114. StacEy says:

    oh puh-lease.

  115. Messy says:

    Ya know, you have been told at least half a dozen times that you are copying; you need to stop starting dramarific threads for attention; you need to respect copyrights and other WAHM boundaries morally and ethically. But you don’t do that. You keep coming back with the stupidest things you can…
    Then to top it all off, you go nuts asking to get the blog shut down because you are a dramawhore with less brains than a dead gnat has. Seriously, if you had not done enough damage with your crazy shit before, you dundidit this time.
    :::hiding so nobody knows who I am ROFLMAO!!!:::

  116. StacEy says:

    112: Stop copying others’ work and act like an adult. Take pride in being an artist, surely you’re capable of producing something unique. Some of your longies just look like cheap reproductions, is that what you want to be known for?

  117. Munklettes says:

    #112 – how can “we” stop talking to you, if you keep posting on here?

  118. Kelolsen says:

    Its kind of silly to go to someone else’s house and then tell them that you want t hem to stop talking to you.

  119. mom2jake says:

    117

    I’m posting here to try to resolve this with everyone here, because its been apparent that even if I try to lay low and not bring things up someone here still does.

    I know you all say I’m the one that keeps bringing it up. But I’m not. I may speak of my experience when answering another WAHM’s post asking for help/advice. But I try to stay out of the details, but then someone from here replys to the thread and calls me out and brings it up again. So tell me how I’m supposed to get away from all this crap if there are a few people here that won’t let it die? And then once one of you makes a comment, a few more always seem to follow and jump on it too, which is why it keeps turning into an aurgument. If you’d just stop talking to me/about me, then it wouldn’t escalate each time, and we COULD all forget about it.

    Aside from those stupid red monsters I haven’t been making anything that could be accused of violation for quite some time now. And the only reason I made the red monster ones, was because I thought they were original enough to not fall into a violation.
    If I knew it would have turned out like this again I wouldn’t have posted them, heck I wouldn’t have even made them, or perhaps I’d have tried to change them to a dfferent mouth, or a different colored nose.
    I would have rather just been the little know wahm that makes some sales here and there, than have people know me as the copy cat and still only get a few sales here and there.

    I know your all trying to call BS on my posts here, but I’m just trying to figure out how I can get you guys to just forgive and forget. Give me a trial basis, 3 months or something where you all leave me alone. I won’t make anything that resembles a character, and I’ll stop posting asking for advice on my knitting.

    Can we PLEASE do this? PLEASE.

  120. 2dogs says:

    My sister has an awesome magnet on her fridge.

    “How can I miss you if you won’t GO AWAY?”

  121. riffrafflittleman says:

    If you want people to stop talking about your monster pants and all that, remove them from your gallery. Don’t let people see them, if people ask for them tell them you cannot do that anymore. Stand on your own two feet as an artist and actually DO it…don’t just say you are going to stop, DO IT!

  122. theinvisible says:

    You are not going to get the last word here. You do not have the authority to come here and ask everyone to stop talking and have that happen. We will discuss you until we find something else to talk about. That will happen a lot faster if you stop posting about it.

  123. mom2jake says:

    121

    Any monsters that are in my gallery right now are my own creation. (chain style mouth, have a nose, etc).Actually my gallery isn’t up right now because of all this. But when I put it back up it won’t have any “elmo” or spongebob, but it will have my orginal monster pants because those are NOT like crankypants at all and I have been making those as my own for awhile.

    And I do turn away people if they ask for crankypants, like I said, haven’t made them for awhile.

  124. Messy says:

    The problem stagnantcrys is that you think you are so smart…
    You name something “elmo” then argue with people that it does not violate the copyright for sesame street after YOU bring it up asking/denying an elmo resemblance @@ It is shit like that that makes you stand out among the WAHMs that really have no ideas of their own and are out to screw anyone for a dime.
    Seriously, you think you are so smart and honestly, you are lacking in the intellect category for numerous reasons, this being one example.

  125. Messy says:

    Great. You will keep making your monster pants that are *inspired by crankypants @@ You will never get it. I swear, the obvious could hit you in the face with a brick and you would still be concentrating on the mantra “breathe in, who can I copy, breathe out, will they notice, breathe in, make a dime, breathe out, everyone on DS is so stupid that they won’t notice, breathe in…”

  126. mom2jake says:

    Here is what I used to make, but have stopped:
    [URL=http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/BlackBlueGreenMonster.jpg][IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/th_BlackBlueGreenMonster.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    Here is what I make now, of my own design:
    [URL=http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/DCAM2274-1.jpg][IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/th_DCAM2274-1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    They are not the same, I do not use the short rows for a mouth on them, the mouth is completely different. I don’t do googly eyes like cranky pants, plus these have a nose. I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to continue posting photos of MY monster pants. I’m not trying to make the crankypants monster style anymore, that is LONG gone.

  127. mom2jake says:

    Man, why is it when I hit submit, half the time the page just reloads and it doesn’t post?

    #125

    This is what I used to make, but do not and will not anymore:
    [URL=http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/BlackBlueGreenMonster.jpg][IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/th_BlackBlueGreenMonster.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    But this is MY monster pants now, that I will have in my gallery and would make more of:
    [URL=http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/DCAM2274-1.jpg][IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/stellercrys/th_DCAM2274-1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    My own design has a chain mouth (doesn’t use shortrows which is what crankypants patented I think), has a nose, and does not have googly eyes (which I feel is a trademark of crankies as well).

    I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to make my new monster pants since they are my own design and do not copy crankies.

  128. mom2jake says:

    Have I been block from posting? I’ve tried posting twice now and nothing happens

  129. jeruco says:

    doesnt look like sellercrys is planning on closing up shop like she said:
    http://hyenacart.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=115121

  130. mom2jake says:

    well that one went through, why won’t the ones go through where I am trying to post photos?

    I was trying to show a photo of my old “cranky” pants, and then what I make now (my own design with a chain style mouth, not a shortrow mouth, a nose, and non-googly eyes).
    I was trying to show that my new monster design does not look like crankypants and therefor I don’t know why you (125) think that I shouldn’t make them, these are not inspired by crankies. The OLD ones were

  131. jeruco says:

    But crystal, even if its different enough, why do you always get your ideas from others?
    Just move on and do something new and original.
    Stop defeding if its “different enough” to not be a copyright issue.
    It really would behoove you to stop brining drama upon yourself and come up with original ideas.

  132. jeruco says:

    crystal,
    anything with links has to be moderated. that is why they wont show up right away.

  133. jeruco says:

    what happened Crystal, you took down all your gallery links because vinca leaf mentioned that people should report you?

  134. mmspirit7 says:

    because they may need to be approved by the blog owner to many links and they get held until apporved it’s not someone trying to get you it’s how it works here.

  135. mom2jake says:

    129.

    I’m not pointing out that its “just different enough”, I’m pointing out that it IS different.

    Just because I made a mistake before about crankes, that shouldn’t mean that I can never make a pair of pants with ANY type of monster/face on them.
    My new style of monsterpants is of my own designs. I was told to find my own style and I did.

    I don’t always get my ideas from others….. hence why I make pants with trains, giraffes etc

  136. mom2jake says:

    I’m done posting here because no one seems to believe me that I just want to be left alone and that I’ve been making changes to try to get you all to stop.

    Please don’t ever contact me, and if you can help it, please don’t reply in any threads I start on DS or HC or wherever.

    If you don’t like my work or me, then just stay away from my store and me, and we can all just go about our ways.

  137. jeruco says:

    dont worry crystal, it seems like everyone stays away from your store.

  138. jeruco says:

    but honestly Crystal,
    why did you take down your pictures and your gallery? If you have nothing to hide then you would not hide.

    what was the link to her gallery people?

  139. mmspirit7 says:

    134

    i have stayed out of this watching the wreck and well you need to grow up. you can’t tell this blog owners or the people here what they can talk about or were they can post and reply to on public boards.

    so grow the fuck up ok?

    as for your stuff, i haven’t seen any of it and really probably never would buy from you. if you have your own style of monster butts then if the public likes them they will sell but from what i have seen you seek out this drama and it’s sad.

    You want things to settle down you need to leave the drama, stop talking about it stop telling others what to do and let you product speek for yourself the fact you need to ask if your stuff is close to others tells me you know what you are doing.

    Tells me you want to be just close enough but far enough away with out breaking the law. To be honest it would be easier to just come up with your own thing all together.

    This blog is great in pointing out mistakes wahms make, it has educated me. it has pointed out many scamers that before where unknown about.

  140. mom2jake says:

    sorry last thing, my blog is back up after editing out some that I was told to

  141. TL says:

    134 if you want people to stop talking about you etc.. then how about you stop posting on ds, hc etc… You can’t really tell people not post on those forums and leave you alone, its the risk you take with a public forum lmbo. Seriously though just keep it up, its been very entertaining! I’m grabbing myself a bowl of popcorn and sitting back to read!

  142. werd says:

    Is anyone else being taken back to Vanilla Ice talking about “Ice Ice Baby”‘s background music being different than “Under Pressure” by Bowie and Freddie Mercury – “because their’s goes dun dun dun dundundun dun, dun dun dun dundundun dun – and mine goes dun dun dun dundundun dun- DUN – dun dun dun dundundun dun – SEE? it’s different!!”

    seriously. That is all I can think of right now. AGH.

    OH and now I have Ice Ice Baby stuck in my head.

  143. mom2jake says:

    *gallery. not blog

  144. Bloggitybloggity says:

    140-

    OMFG… LMAO.

    Thanks so much ๐Ÿ˜›

    Now I have this weird remix of “ice ice baby” AND “under pressure” going on in my head.

  145. riffrafflittleman says:

    I didn’t until you posted it Werd…thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

  146. Bloggitybloggity says:

    Mom2jake…

    Weren’t you the one that had that video of yourself knitting on a machine? I thought it was really cool to watch. It seems like you could probably make some awesome shit if you stopped looking at what everyone else is doing. Come up with something of your own. There are all sorts of cool things to put on the back of a pair of longies. I can thing of a ton of really neat non-copyrighted symbols and images that you could do.

    Original thoughts are priceless. If you could just pull those BGP on and assess th situation you’d realize that you’ve fed your own drama. Just s.t.o.p. It may take a minute, but things will fizzle down. Maybe you can spend your time until then thinking of new (and original designs.) If you see it elsewhere, then scrap it. Go to a library, flip through a magazine, do something besides peruse other WAHM’s sites for ideas.

    That’s the only way to get past this.

  147. insomiac says:

    damn you people and your awesome drama…your sucking up my day,ROTFLMAO!!

    stellecrys..the problem is you won’t stop. If you would, it would have happened a long time ago the many times you promised to stop. You won’t/can’t. You seem to thrive on this. You can say you don’t like it till your as blue as your notreallycookiemonsterbutlookslikehim pants, but the fact remains that YOU call all this attention on yourself.

  148. just_sayin says:

    Why put anything on the butt at all? Why not buy some MM yarn and make some pants with that, people love that shit. Since you have the machine, you could also sell blankets knit with high quality yarn at prices people could afford. There you go. New niche. And hey lookie, you didn’t steal anyone’s designs! A-fucking-mazing!!

    I’m bored with her. Next?

  149. amessymama says:

    mom2jake-I just took a peek through you gallery. There is some cute stuff there. I really like the black and red stripe ruffle capris,

    I think you should just stop w/ the monsters. Just put other things on the butt or nothing. IMO, that would be the best thing for you to do.

    Especially this one:

    That thing scared the crap out of me. Please don’t ever make that again.

    Make things like butterflies, frogs, birdies, tigers, lions, bears, flowers, toad stools etc. There’s lots you can do.

  150. theinvisible says:

    147 I agree. Especially not that one. Really. Those would be fine without that scary thing on it. Gawd that face is nightmare inspiring.

  151. newhere says:

    someone else might be able to get away with a *very* different monster on the butt type of pants…but not you. You’ve already had too much questionable activity in that area.

    Weren’t you the owner of the “Mom’s Diner” congo that fell apart? I seem to recall hearing that you thought any publicity was good publicity.

  152. JustPeachy says:

    Oh Crystal just shut up with your poor pity me shit. You fucking copied and you knew it but to stir up drama you spam your shit every fucking where then cry when people call you on it. You need to grow the fuck up yourself and stop acting like a fucking HS girl.

  153. bored says:

    stellarcrys: wow. maybe if you quit posting every 10 minutes, MAYBE the drama will die out and you can crawl back in your hole and make some more knock offs. seriously woman, shut up already and quit whining and trying to defend yourself, its NOT working.

  154. Thud says:

    Yep, she was behind mom’s diner, a concept and design which she also stole.

    Don’t try to play nice~ she has been told over and over again about what she could do if she wanted to do it right… nothing changes.

    So you do your own monsters? whoop-dee-doo! Monsters weren’t your own original idea.

    And note that the Elmo discussionw as started by Crystal, when she had a featured shop ad running obn HC FEATURING the Elmo pants (which weren’t for sale, therefore going against the policy re. featured ad slots) and while that ad was running and she was stocking she starts the dramarific post about whether it is ok to make red monsters. Coincidence?

    Nope, not considering back in 2007/2008 she knew that Elmo was a no-no.

    Whenever people DO stop talking about Crystal, she makes sure they start.

  155. Posts with too many links get weeded out as spam. It sometimes takes a while to wade through the 100 or so posts to see that anything even went to spam. Carry on. And please, read what 147 said again. Those are scary.

  156. monkey says:

    Okay, I’m bored with this…

    What is the CDN drama? I want to know!!!

  157. meagan says:

    let me explain it in easy to understand language—using someone else as the “guilty party”

    say for example, I (meaning me) decided to make mama cloth (which i do) but instead of tracing my own design and recutting and retracing countless times till i get something that fits and functions properly—say i just buy a fern and fairy pattern and use that. And say i move the snaps over an inch and use colored serger thread instead of white but still the same basic idea and pattern. but instead of posting–I’m a liscensed fern and fairy seamstress, i just sell them as “my own designs” THAT would be considered fraudulent. because i used someone elses original idea and COPIED IT!!! Scamming and BAD BUSINESS!!!

    now–i don’t do this at all, just trying to explain it in simple terms for “the stagant one” since she has problems interpreting general English.

    carry on!! this is sooooo entertaining!

  158. youdontknowme says:

    #150….WTF? I’m glad my kids didn’t see those. They would never put a pair of pants on again. Ever.

  159. jeruco says:

    150
    that is the scariest face I have seen. And I mean scary like that should not be allowed it makes longies look bad kind of scary.

  160. JustPeachy says:

    Ya its not like there arent possibly a million other things you can put on the back of longies. I mean animals, shapes, words so really the possibilities are endless.

  161. Messy says:

    #150 I hear the ass raped monkey longies doing a mating call to those!!! Ugh!

  162. diudiaole says:

    #162 LMAO!!!

    But even on those monstrosities you see the asymmetrical cranky inspired eyes…

  163. For Realz says:

    I really don’t want to get into this, but this thread really upset me when it happened, and it’s quite germane to this discussion, so I feel like I should link it.

    http://hyenacart.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1145914

  164. kowalski says:

    #96 moxy

    yeah… a little ironic, but to post here does it mean i have to agree with everything that is said here? I thought the messages sent to Corrin were a bit much and posted my thoughts both here and on HC.

    I read this blog regularly… sometimes I think that things go overboard, and sometimes I think what is being done here is a good thing – and yeah, I posted about the crazy t.u.s.h lady because her reply was pretty classic and worth posting….. it was also relevant to the topic of shower curtain using WAHM’s. The email’s I had received about this WAHM had indicated that she is a scammer – and whats worse, she was using my business name. Is this board not about outing scammers?

    I think the facts and the outings are great… I was thrilled to see Its a Snap go down, and even this thread. I think the name calling can be a bit much…. not sure there’s anything wrong with that and saying so either.

  165. ladylili says:

    So, I’ve been reading this for a while and I just decided to post. I debated about posting because I don’t see myself being a frequent poster. Anyway…

    (If this has already been talked about, please forgive me. Sometimes I lose track of the posts here.)

    On the lines of this copying stuff what about this: http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=625129&highlight=Happy+booty+boutique

    http://hyenacart.com/prod_details.php?id=81481&vid=2891

    http://hyenacart.com/prod_details.php?id=71255&vid=2891

  166. TL says:

    166 um wow. copying’s bad enough, but seriously sewing a square onto a shirt now makes some one a WAHM? um I wouldn’t buy them.

  167. CJ says:

    166: I am not sure what the first link is (I refuse to go back to DS!) but I did see the other two listings this week on HC. I was shocked that the person in charge of the congo allowed that collab. (not sure who runs a la mode?) The use of the fabric is okay obviously, but the pants are not. It’s the exact same situation as is being discussed in regards to Crystal. I think that all WAHMs need to be held to the same standards. I may send them an email….a lot of people really aren’t aware that copyright laws exist on these things and they do deserve fair warning.

  168. JustPeachy says:

    #165 and they were justified. Her work was shitty and I called her on it. I wasn’t going to mince words with her because shes been told before her work is crap and still went on blissfully ignorant touting her wares.

  169. tired says:

    #113 Thats the beauty of the internet, we can say what we damn want. If you are going to be done with this blog or DS, than be done. Coming back and posting more is not going to help make this die down, if anything its going to keep it going.

  170. moxy says:

    #165

    You flat out compared the posters on this blog to Nazis.
    It’s extremely hypocritical to refer to the people on this blog as though you are somehow separate from them, when you post here yourself, PARTICULARLY TO FURTHER YOUR OWN AGENDA. Oh, and especially when using words like “Gestapo” and “witch hunt”. It’s stupid posts like yours in that HC thread about connorsmamacrap that really undermine the good that is done with this blog…the same good you just mentioned yourself.

  171. Thud says:

    #166 I noticed those, too, I wonder if anyone has said anything? The WAHM wares thread is 20 pages long with nary a whisper…
    I have done my share lately, anyone else want to step upo tot he plate on this one?

  172. theinvisible says:

    Not only are the sesame street fleece shorties a nono for obvious reasons….they are crap. They look they will fall apart as soon as they hit water. That woman has no business owning a sewing machine.

  173. CJ says:

    172: I emailed a la mode last night.

  174. ladylili says:

    #168

    Sorry about the DS link. Anyway it is her WAHM thread and the title says “Happy Booty Boutique Sesame Street Shorties Customs OPEN”. (speaking of grammar, does the period go before or after the quotations?)

    I was shocked that the a la mode powers that be were doing something like that. Honestly, I didn’t know what a big issue the copyright stuff was until just recently. At least now I know who to buy from (and who not too).

    And on a side note – TwilightMommy is REALLY starting to get on my nerves.

  175. CJ says:

    ladylili….no worries! This is a board about DS, I expect links over there. I just lost my desktop yesterday though and can’t risk having my laptop fried by the rampant viruses that are plaguing that board.

    It’s been so long since I took an English grammar class, but I would think that the period goes within the quotes, if it is part of the quote itself. If it is just the end of your sentence, and nothing to do with the quote….then it goes after the quotations? I have no idea. I think that is minor on the list of grammar and punctuation fails. What you are saying is still very clear.

    Who is TwilightMommy?

  176. DSDM2 says:

    I AM NOT BANNED FROM DS, HC, OR ANY OTHER BOARD.

    just so you know. Neither are the other Drama Mamas. Crystal, you are a moron.

  177. ladylili says:

    CJ: I understand about the viruses! I almost lost my laptop because of them but luckily I have a genius father and brother who saved it for me. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thanks for clearing up the punctuation thing. I know it was kind of a silly question to put on here. But it had been driving me crazy!

    TwilightMommy is the person the with b/s/t vent post. That is why I was asking about the whole grammar thing. I should’ve posted it on the other thread, but it was late and all the posts were running together for me.

  178. CJ says:

    The threads blur together for me too. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Like I said, I’m not positive about the quotations and period….one of the other mamas may be better able to answer that. I think the main thing here is that you are not writing an essay or a novel, you are posting on the internet….it’s a little more relaxed. Your sentences are still well put together and easy to understand though, unlike the post from that other thread.

  179. allgirls says:

    Gah #150. Who wants a pair of X-Files Fluke man longies for their baby?! Skeery.

  180. focusissues says:

    >>(speaking of grammar, does the period go before or after the quotations?)

    It depends. American convention is to put it inside quotes, the Brits tend to put it outside, unless it’s more logical to put it inside.

    Clear as mud, eh?

    As for copyright – violations abound on HC and etsy. There are about 25 pages of items tagged “Elmo” on Etsy, for example.

    Newbies do it, because they see established WAHMs doing it for years. Or, because they open a store with their own designs and get custom requests for items that are copyright violations.

    I know. I’ve been there. Didn’t think. Was called out. Didn’t do it again. But I’ve watched others in the intervening months do exactly what I did, and become Hyenas doing it.

  181. Sharpie says:

    Can I ask why it is ok for Amy to copy Sock Monkey but not ok for the Al La Mode congo to copy Sesame Street? For me both of those items would fall under copyright, they are both taking a known image and putting them on pants so why the difference in how they are treated? Serious question, no snark.

    Really though I don’t give two shits about WAHM’s copying from big companies like Mattel, Disney, etc. If my DD likes Elmo when she grows up I’d be way more likely to buy a Elmo item from a WAHM. At least then I’d know that the item isn’t made with lead and that its maker is earning more than 10 cents a day. Buying a WAHM “copied” item is definitely the lesser of 2 evils for me.

  182. alison says:

    poop – sorry DSDM2 – signed up for a new blog on a whim last night and promptly forgot about it this morning… I see it’s still in moderation.

  183. alison says:

    #181…

    Sharpie – I believe that the Sock Monkey character probably fall under public domain. There are certainly SPECIFIC fabric designs using sock monkeys – Heather Ross has done two, Nick and Nora has one, and there are surely countless dozen others. Rather like a Teddy Bear – it’s generic…

  184. alison says:

    “No one knows who made the first sock monkey. It has been decreed by the United States government that sock monkeys are part of the public domain.”

  185. Sharpie says:

    Thanks for clarifying that for me!

  186. CJ says:

    And as far as WAHMs making more than 10c a day….for all of the time that I put in btwn shopping for supplies, cutting, sewing, washing, de-fuzzing, photographing, editing photos, typing listings, etc…I think that the factory workers make way more than I do per hour! Sorry, that was a crazy long sentence!

    I think this is the way to look at it as a shopper:

    If you want to buy handmade, please do….it is wonderful and supporting a great thing.

    If you want commercial characters, buy them ethically.
    If you want Elmo for your child, and also want handmade please buy something made with an Elmo print fabric. That fabric was purchased and rights were paid to the owner of the character.
    Items that were created to look like Elmo have not paid rights and are not legal or ethical.

    Really, no one here is arguing the case of the big corporation vs the little guy. It is just the ethics of it. If a WAHM was to design a character and license it, we would not want disney or sesame street to steal that character. The rules have to work both ways.

    I was in the same boat as you recently. I never would have copied a character to sell, but had no issues with purchasing a character item from someone else. I was in the mimd frame of “who is it hurting?” Recently though, I have started to look at this differently and do now realize that we need to uphold the same rules for everyone, whether they are walmart, disney or a WAHM selling 5 items a month. I will never call them out in public for it, but I may look elsewhere for something to buy.

  187. kowalski says:

    171 moxy

    back then i totally felt that a lot of the comments on this board were out of line and that some WAHMs were being treated unfairly, for example, Korrin…. I have since had a good read through many of the threads, and while I dont agree with everything and I dont think I need to in order to post here, I do think that some of the stuff posted about here is good. I have to admit that the Its a Snap stuff totally won me over.

    yeah… maybe gestapo was over the top… but so are names like “stagnantcrys”… and “its a snatch”.

    I think what harms this blog more than what I posted are when members troll stores for substandard sewing to make fun of. Consumers can see that stuff for themselves. My post on HC was made after reading a bunch of stuff on here that basically just made fun of WAHMs.

    I dont have a particular “agenda” – I posted because I knew I could contribute with some entertaining information about a known scammer… I dont really care what happens as a result but hopefully those who read and are aware of her will think twice about buying from her.

  188. Thud says:

    Well said 186!

    When people say they support WAHMs and want to buy handmade, I don’t get why they then transfer their commercial urges over LOL
    Ifyou want Elmo, go for it, but pay for it and buy it ethically.
    If you want handmad support handmade in spirit as well as the physical item~ by buying the original work of hard working artisans.
    If all folks want is Elmo knock offs, where is the integrity in that? Where is the difference from the big company?
    Yep, it has to go both ways.

  189. moxy says:

    #187

    Great logic–you can say harsh, over the top things, because other people do. Mmm hmm.

    I really do not care whether you post here or not, and have never said you should not. What I did was point out that you are a hypocrite.

  190. Sharpie says:

    That’s a good point 186. I see your reasoning and I agree that everyone should be held to the same standards. However there are a lot of ethical standards to be met out there and I guess I just see exploited workers and unsafe goods as bigger issues than whether a small time WAHM is copying. It’s a two way street and both sides need to work on some things.

    As for why people want to buy character knock-offs, (which by the way I haven’t and probably never will since we don’t have TV) I think people would rather buy a handmade knock-off for their child that an original that is made buy one. I can see why there is a market for such products. Hopefully the day will come when people can feel good about buying from the big companies and the little man will have free creative rein to make original products.

  191. CJ says:

    Sharpie, I agree that safety and fair trade are definitely issues that need to be addressed. What we need to do then is focus on that and not be distracted by these other copyright issues that keep arising. (Not meaning that we ignore them, but that the issues need to stop.) We need to make sure that we are buying safe items which are made in fair conditions. We can’t focus on these issues if the copyright infringement issues keep popping up and hogging the limelight.

    If all WAHPs would dedicate themselves to making safe, original items it would be so much easier for them to come together as a group and fight things like the CPSIA which has gone overboard on some of its points. If they could honestly say, “We are a group of people who are dedicated to making safe, original items with the interest of others in mind” then I think it would be easier to fight laws like that. However, there are these few bad apples that pop up. One WAHM making knock-off cookie monster pants, or making an exact replica of a commercial board game, or making a toy for a baby which is a choking hazard….these are all things that can put a poor light on the handmade industry as a whole. Just as lead in paint has put a poor light on items made in China. Not every toy from China is unsafe or toxic. Not every factory worker is underpaid and treated poorly. But these are the images that come to mind now because of all of the media surrounding recent events. We need to make sure that handmade items don’t have this same thing happen to them. If we work together to make handmade the best that it can be, then there will never be any bad press surrounding it.

    Sorry, that was a bit drawn out. ๐Ÿ™‚

  192. Sharpie says:

    I totally agree CJ.

  193. Messy says:

    #187 The two creative names you have brought up as being too far, are ones that *I* came up with. How and why did I come up with such names? Oh, I dunno, could it be a case of “if the adjective fits, use it”? Those two people have gone above and beyond the call of duty to get to where they get pet-names. Not all WAHMs that end up being discussed here have such an honor… Those two are *special ๐Ÿ™‚

  194. Messy says:

    #186 & #188 ITA! That is too true… We want something different that not every other person is wearing/carrying/etc, so we go to the artisans for that *different item. It is a shame that some feel they must rely, at least partially, on the commercialism of certain groups to make it.

  195. Messy says:

    My posts aren’t showing up ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  196. Meghan says:

    The whole, “Well, I can’t make you an elmo, but I can make you a red monster that kids would THINK is elmo, wink wink” is the silliest defense ever. Seriously? And the other people making the Sesame Street stuff are way out of line too. Same boat.

  197. SpiritElf says:

    OMG I can’t read all these posts because it would seriously take up all my day….but how I want to! LOL!

  198. JustPeachy says:

    Kowalski you misunderstand. As I said in previous posts I do not randomly call out shitty wahms. However Korin kept at coming out with new SHITTIER products. I had enough with her and her crappiness and the knitting just sent me over the edge. She is the kind of person you can’t give constructive criticism to because she never takes it. Hence the harshness of my words. Sometimes all it takes is a good swift kick in the ass to get your act together which was the intention of my harsh words.

  199. Bloggitybloggity says:

    Why is somebody defending Korin? She sells things that fall apart at the seams. How is that okay?

  200. JustPeachy says:

    Because I was a bitch to her about her knitting and told her off not so nicely. I guess everything is supposed to be ducks and bunnies when it comes to wahmdom.

  201. kowalski says:

    just peachy – but you did admit to being a tad harsh due to being grumpy that particular day. Do you feel she listened to your advice?

    i think in cases like Korin – the market will dictate her popularity – if her stuff falls apart, then appropriate feedback should have been left. Same goes if the sewing looks bad or the knitting looks bad…. i’m not defending her, i have never bought from her. i’m just stating that making fun of WAHM’s is what will give this blog a bad name- not posts like the one I made in a short lived thread on HC.

    Outing scammers, copiers and the like – even the crazy melodrama on DS – all great stuff.

  202. Bloggitybloggity says:

    197-

    Ah. I see.

    Well ducks and bunnies can leave their asses at the door when it comes to me wasting my money on CRAP. If you make crap, that’s fine. If you sell crap, then you should be called out. End-o-story.

  203. kowalski says:

    Just Peachy – no… not everything ducks and bunnies – some people NEED to hear when their ethics are crap.

    Also – I’d even say the WAHM’s that continually post “why isnt my stuff selling” and you can see that their stuff is either poorly made, or their photography sucks – whatever. No need sugar coat your words there either.

    Purposely seeking out and making fun of WAHM’s or offering unsolicited advice is not cool IMO. But… I just skip over that stuff here, avoid those threads and read the ones that interest me. To each their own… I’m not here to dictate what can and cannot be said here. But, I can have an opinion about it.

  204. Thud says:

    You know another thing about ripping of Sesame Street in particular? Isn’t CTW a non-profit organization and they do one HECK of a lot of great things for kids and families.

    So copying Elmo is like stealing from illiterate children.
    Way to kill their dreams.

  205. CJ says:

    “So copying Elmo is like stealing from illiterate children.
    Way to kill their dreams.”

    Love it!

  206. just_sayin says:

    Ripping off anything Jim Hensen especially pisses me off. He was just a small time dad, who made it huge. But now that Disney owns them it’s fair game. Because, you know, Disney wasn’t founded by a small time dad either. Oh, wait…

    What’s the difference between a WAHM and an artist who designed these characters? Nothing. Stealing is stealing.

  207. Thud says:

    Amen.

  208. JustPeachy says:

    Apparently not because I still see her crappy knit stuff on her cart. I guess not even the HC mamas telling her to practice did anything to deter her. I just hope no one else gets suckered in.

  209. screenname says:

    Is it ethical to take someone’s money and deliver an inferior/unusable product? I don’t think it is.

    Purchasing something on the internet is difficult. You can’t look at the product in person, pick it up, try it out, ect. But to get cloth diapering products many of us are forced to rely on internet stores or WAHMs. As a consumer, I appreciate that WAHMs who provide bad service or low quality products are called out so I don’t waste my money.

  210. JustPeachy says:

    207 you are correct. Its all about whats ethical to me. I won’t buy from an unethical wahm (ie scammer, copier, shady business practices). I don’t want to support that type of behavior in a community of moms. I just don’t think its right to rip off another mom because all you are doing is essentially stealing from a baby.

  211. alison says:

    #212

    Not ethical.

    And this beautifully illistrates a point that has been made here so many times before. If you’re a hip, Hyena WAHM, you can get away with this.

  212. alison says:

    jeebuz illustrates…

    Hyenacart is LONG overdue for a little equality in copyright policing…

  213. alison says:

    Oh look…

    and

    From one of RSK’s galleries.

  214. theinvisible says:

    I guess it does all depend on whether you are popular or not. Chrystal’s copies aren’t nearly that good. I guess it depends on how much attention you call upon yourself and if enough people like you. I think those from RSK would definitely be called copywright infringement by CTW lawyers.

  215. screenname says:

    Speaking of copyright issues, guess what popped up on the Kozy coop thread? lol

    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7592505&postcount=41

  216. alison says:

    #217 – Gone already…

  217. screenname says:

    From link above:

    “I’ve seen a lot of “copyright” designs by Kozy, like spongebob, etc. If she won’t do them, how do they get done, kwim? Not trying to be snarky, really just trying to figure it out…”

  218. Messy says:

    #215 Dr. Seuss’s widow goes after people that use the Grinch. Someone could email the link to her and she is a piranha… No matter how small the company.

  219. alison says:

    Well… On the one hand, one might call her a piranha, on the other, she’s just vigorously defending her husband’s copyright, right?

    It’s even more interesting how this thread quietened right up. No-one’s suggesting that Mandy is stealing from illiterate children and killing their dreams.

    QED, ladies.

  220. CJ says:

    Who is Mandy?

  221. Messy says:

    #221 This is correct. I do not lose any respect for her decision to be very active in protecting her husband’s legacy. She wants a hand in every.single.little.bitty.thing that anyone does involving Dr. Seuss or any of his characters or writings that are not public domain. She was even onset for the Jim Carey version of the Grinch movie ๐Ÿ™‚ She wants only good things for her husband’s dedication and hard work.

  222. alison says:

    #222
    Mandy is Rock Star Knits

  223. meagan says:

    224 email her–tell her what she is doing is wrong and that you will be contacting the appropriate people. she what happens!

  224. Thud says:

    I haven’t seenthe ripoffs my RSK before, definitely needs a heads up, along with theothers. NO, no one is exempt as much as people like to slyly suggest, it is often who is flogging them publicly that gets noticed.

  225. alison says:

    But Thud, if people aren’t being publicly called out, then it does seem to be making them exempt. Honestly. Go and read through any wool rave thread, and you will find a dozen copyright infringements.

    There’s a great deal of responsibility that needs to be shouldered by the buyers too. Take RSK’s gallery, for example. Easily 95% of the pants are her own designs. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that those were all custom designs requested by wool-lovin’ gals.

  226. Thud says:

    Good point Alison~ I don’t use wool/ have a LO in diapers so personally I never see those threads.

    And I agree the buyers need to take responsibility and stop asking/ demanding/ only buying ripoffs.

    All it takes for the heads up is someone to mention it publicly, so maybe all those who know can take some responsibility in sharing the info (instead of worrying about who is and isn’t being told based on a conspircay of popularity).

  227. insomiac says:

    FWIW, mandy was called out on hc in wahm chat. she said at that time she would not be doing anymore copyright violations but I do not check up to see so I have no idea if those items in the links are older than the callout thread or newer to know if she kept her word.

  228. princesshannon says:

    188

    while you may see it as making fun of substandard sewing…this blog has been very informative for me personally in the area of being an educated consumer. i can’t knit, crochet or sew, hell i can’t cut in a straight line, so i wouldn’t have been able to really look for substandard work from a picture. i would have bought the product and had it fit poorly and not be able to determine why. thanks to this blog “picking” on poor crappy wanna wahms and showing pics of substandard work, i have been able to spend my budget more carefully on quality products.

    and fwiw, is there really a problem with pointing out craptastic work? if the wanna wahms put it out there in the public eye, can they really expect someone not to look?

  229. insomiac says:

    returning to the copyright points made in this thread, there is a big argument going on in hc forums that has gotten pretty dramariffic in the last 4 pages or so if you have some time to waste and want to go gawk,lol

    http://hyenacart.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=115767

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