OK, so we all read the “threats on ds” post about Mookie Doodle Designs (www.MookieDoodleDesigns.com and www.hyenacart.com/MookieDoodleDesigns) Well, it looks like birds of a feather are flocking together in her “new congo” that is coming on September 24th (per RemBran’s DS siggie)

The congo she is on will be “the Animal Crackes on Parade Congo on Hyenacart.http://site.hooahbabies.com/blog/


Well now, Hooah Babies is not following through with transactions. That is one hell of a congo to stay away from. Looks like this isn’t the first time, per her store feedback.


need some advice

I ordered a few diapers off of a HC (the mama is also on DS). Her policy is to ship within 5 business days. I ordered on 9/4 and these are in stock. I emailed her for a dc# and she never responded. I PM’ed here and she responded there was a death in her family and she would get it out that day and I would get an email with the information that it shipped. ok fine, I can understand things happen, however I would have appreciated if she told me there was a delay before I had to go hunting down a DC#. Here we are 2 days later that she could have shipped and no email for DC. Interestingly, she has been on here every day for most of the day when she could have dropped my diapers into the mail. More interestingly, she has been here stalking diapers when she could have mailed out my diapers. I guess I’m not sure what I should do. I’m thinking of asking her for a refund if she does not ship by Monday. I don’t want to be unreasonable, but I need these diapers and I think she is giving me the run around. any thoughts?

  1. Nosey Neighbour says:

    Isn’t she in Germany though??? I’m not too sure she would have a DC # to give. It will be interesting to see how this one plays out!!!

  2. Nosey Neighbour says:

    oooh, I just reread and it says that she was promised an email of it going out. not good.

  3. dazed says:

    I know of another person who had serious shipping/contact issues with hooahbabies. I definitely want nothing to do with that congo.

  4. Kate says:

    Wow definitely not a good sway to start off a congo.

  5. Nosey Neighbour says:

    hopefully, we all don’t go look at one time after reading the blog or else we will put them on the “where are the hyenas” list and innocent mamas will be taken for!!!

  6. eeek says:

    Dang, just call it the juicy apple congo. Prices are cheap and there’s always the excitement factor of a gamble…. am I gonna get the stuff or the drama? Some people love both, we all know….

  7. Ashley says:

    I have seen her on DS all day stalking so I have to agree with the mama…she could have done sent them

  8. dazed says:

    #5…unfortunately, that’s exactly what happened!

  9. cdmd1023 says:

    all these people have to do is be honest. if you cant ship then let your customer know ASAP!! I wont be shopping from them!

  10. DSDM2 says:

    #10, exactly! That is the issue. But the WAHM knows that the buyer will back out at that point, so they lie in order not to lose money.

    My opinion is that she is greedy, and doesn’t care. Just like other members of that congo.

  11. Justme says:

    Have to share….on the AOL Cloth Diaper Classified board, Jenn from Mookie Doodle Designs hosted a raffle for another WAHM who had a loss and never gave her the money that was raised. I can’t believe she is still in business. That was about a year ago.

  12. JustPeachy says:

    I am staying far away from that congo and its not just because of the two scammers sadly.

  13. cdmd1023 says:

    peachy-spill it!

  14. DSDM2 says:

    please do!

  15. JustPeachy says:

    It has to do with the fundraiser that Tammy. Bear in mind this is my own personal opinion but I don’t think getting your kids taken away because you can’t seem to take care of them warrants a fundraiser.

  16. JustPeachy says:

    I meant that Tammy did.

  17. DSDM2 says:

    ?? links? details? something?

  18. Yup says:

    I’m with you on this on Peachy. The poor me story is gone though-

  19. AshleyB says:

    Peach, I want to know more too! I miss *all* the good drama! And, I love Lil Outlaws stuff…Jackie has amazing c/s! Too bad she is in a TERRIBLE congo that I’m avoiding like the plauge

  20. JustPeachy says:

    #19 thank goodness! I was afraid I was going to be crucified yet again. I almost purchased until I read the back story and thought oh hell no.

  21. JustPeachy says:

    The poor me story is delete but the gist of it is this woman’s MIL called CPS on her one day because she had been sick and her house was a bit messy. Her daughter is either hearing impaired or deaf and was attending some form of therapy which she missed that and the therapist informed CPS the little girl often came to her sessions with unkempt hair and dirty clothing and that she had missed quite a few sessions.
    Now I understand to a point as she has an autistic son as well and having two special needs children can be demanding. However when you can’t take 2 seconds to brush your child’s hair or make sure they have on clean clothing, that’s when its time to ask for help.

  22. JustPeachy says:

    And the fundraiser was done because she could no longer work due to the CPS investigation and her dh was laid off.

  23. umm anisa says:

    wow. so she lost her kids because she couldnt take care of them and now she needs money, so they run a “fundraiser”?!

    i really stay away from all these “charity” things because i dont want to be taken. the whole thing smelled fishy to me and i didnt buy it.

    i am just dumbstruck

  24. cdmd1023 says:

    wow! thanks for the info! thats sad, think about all the people that really could use the money, IMO its wrong to ask for handouts when you are not doing what you can to fix your situation.

  25. JJ says:

    The fundraiser she didn’t pay the money to, was NOT the same one that Tammy was involved in. Not sure if there is confusion on that or not.

  26. DSDM2 says:

    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/member.php?u=22437 HooahBabies FB on DS… not much there. A WAHM with only 9 FBs?

  27. DSDM2 says:

    Just so you ladies know, Mookie Doodle Designs has her own blog entry here: https://thedramaofdiaperswappers.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/threats-on-ds/

  28. prairiegirl says:

    oh I SO wish it was still up lol, it was the dumbest auction ever. so cps comes and takes her kids….which mind you “she did NOTHING wrong” lol…WTF ever, cps doesn’t just take your kids for nothing, so it was played off as her house was a bit untidy…cps wouldn’t take her kids for it being A BIT untidy, so now that her and her h are under investigation they are out of work, so she needs the auction to help her out….since she has no money coming in. ROFL, seriously, I wish it was still up because it was so fucking dumb. and hardly anyone bid or bought if I remember right.

  29. Me says:

    I’m sure her (Martha cpsmama) husband is getting unemployment being laid off. And from what I’ve heard, there’s a LOT more to the story regarding threats on Martha’s part and that her children were a LOT worse off than just “unkempt hair”. Plus her dh is ex-army and supposedly has PTSD (which I’ve also heard is a load of shit) which causes him to be violent with her and the kids. SHE is the violent one from what I’ve heard. She apparently got pg. with baby 2 when she suspected her dh of abusing baby 1 and her. What a royal nutcase Martha is. I feel sorry for anyone that was stupid enough to bid and give that bitch money. She has real issues with lying to twist things to make everything everyone else’s fault.

  30. ABCDEFG says:

    PTSD is treatable. Stupidity isn’t.

    Someone is up and whining on the GM thread.

  31. Yup says:

    Oh, I wish I knew how to screen shot. This one is going to *poof* soon, although it has been fun to watch. I’m surprised anyone even bought from this WAHM when you can easily see in her pics that 1) her machine tension is off, 2) her diapers are all different sizes and 3) she obviously can’t sew worth crap when she fucks up making “her” diapers from a pattern (Darling diaper)

  32. You ladies are nuts.... says:



  33. Jess says:

    Yikes!!!! 1xx+ for those dipes is crazy!

  34. DSDM2 says:

    #34 Thanks, you totally changed my mind…


    I don’t buy from people/congos with questionable ethics.

  35. Jess says:

    LOL!!!! She sat here, and read everyone’s responses, and then decided to come post about how nuts WE ARE! 🙂

  36. Yup says:

    #34 I think you need to go spend some more TLC with your sewing machine and learn how to sew a quality product.
    The link I posted was of crap diapers, if you can’t see that you probably should go take your little self over to Ebay. I’m sure you’d fit right in 🙂

  37. AOL Mama says:

    I agree with Just Peachy. Tammy is f@cked in the head to have a raffle for someone who is having their kids taken away by CPS. Why would anyone on earth help out someone who keeps such a filthy house her children are being taken from her. Strange.

  38. You ladies are nuts.... says:



  39. DSDM2 says:

    #40, you bore us.

  40. Me says:

    FYI I don’t think it was actually ever mentioned, but I believe the crappy diaper maker is Chunkibunz Diaperz http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/member.php?u=31096. Really weird how her mother is talking to her in the thread about her missing wedding rings.

  41. DSDM2 says:

    #42 ,it is. I’ll blog it later.

  42. You ladies are nuts.... says:


  43. DSDM2 says:

    #44, I have one 🙂 And I have well cared for kids, a big house, white picket fence, dogs, cats, a pony, a great husband, and I get to stay home.

    Maybe you need to get a life? Taking the time to come here and read our blog is just as time consuming as writing it.

    As for the Animals on Parade Congo. I like a few of the wahms. I hope they leave the congo or kick out the questionable wahms, b/c if they don’t, their names will be dragged into the mud too and they will be ruined.

  44. Me says:

    thanks dsdm2! :thumbsup:

  45. itsraininghere says:

    Oh wow, you pulled out the big guns . . . I’ve never heard anyone say “spend some time with your kids”. *rolls eyes*

    So what, you read the blog for how long and something finally hit home? Get over it. If honesty bothers you that much, stick to DS.

    I, for one, appreciate this blog because it lets me know who the honest people are and how to spot one. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. Isn’t it amazing how that little X in the corner works? 😉

  46. JustPeachy says:

    #31 just from reading that poor me story I got the feeling there was more to it then she let on. Thanks for clearing that up.

  47. Hooahbabies says:

    #28 – I have little feedback because I purchase new most of the time and sell mainly on my HC.

    I was delayed a single day on shipping within my policy statements because of a personal matter. I didn’t contact the mama because frankly it did not cross my mind. I was notified on the day I intended to ship.

    No, I did not use DC originally because I didn’t expect things to not arrive. I learned my lesson about that and use DC with every transaction now. Every diaper that did not arrive I replaced or refunded at the customers discretion.

    And yes, there was trouble shipping my testers because I relied on someone else to assist me stateside. When that became delayed, not only did I refund the mamas who let me know that they hadn’t recieved them, but I asked them to please keep them as a gift when they did arrive, which they all did.

    I’m sorry that I seem to have lost some potential customers, but all I can do is state my case and hope that some of you may choose to make up your minds for yourselves. Either way this was definetly a learning experience. All I can do from here is work harder and prove everyone wrong.

  48. DSDM2 says:

    That is an excuse filled post. Thanks.

  49. Hooahbabies says:

    Not excuses mama. Just an explination. I take full responsibility for all of my shortcomings.

  50. DSDM2 says:

    It was more than one day. Shipping info was received yesterday and would at BEST ship today. 10 days after purchase, 5 after your policies. And not getting back to costumers is horrible.

  51. You ladies are nuts.... says:


  52. DSDM2 says:

    #53, it is called a lap top 😉 And wireless internet. I can post from anywhere in my home. Oh, and it is a school day you know.

  53. DSDM2 says:

    #53, nice to know that you guys are talking about us at http://animalcrackersonparade.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,44.new.html

  54. Hooahbabies says:

    I agree, I should have let my customers know immediately but it did not cross my mind. That is my shortfall and I accept full responsibility. I do want to clarify, my policy is to ship within five business days. I cannot ship on weekends as our post office is not open on weekends ((It is a Military Post Office)). When I say it was delayed a single day I meant that it was delayed one day over my policy statement. But again, I’ve apologized to my customer and have done my best to make ammends. I do thank you for allowing my comments to be published so that I had the chance to explain myself. I have some changes to make immediately and I appreciate that I was shown where I need to improve.

    I hope you ladies have a blessed day.

  55. Nunya says:

    Wow. Talk about having nothing better to do.

  56. dontneedtoknow says:

    hey # 53 where are YOUR kids while YOu are telling everyone else to go spend time with their kids?

  57. CrazyMama says:

    FTR, Martha still has her children. She was under investigation, but they were not taken.

    As for the congo, I will avoid this as well. It’s a shame that there are some really great WAHMs on that congo along with the scammers 😦

  58. terri says:

    I am so sad that you all would treat fellow mamas this way. Yes, maybe some mistakes have been made in the past – people are human, we all make mistakes. I am part of this new congo & we are all just so excited about opening soon. Please, move on to something more positive & leave the past in the past.

  59. cdmd1023 says:

    Hooahbabies-it sounds like you realize that not communicating was a bad move, I have been there done that, not with any wahm transaction, but with a fsot item. good luck to you! I hope nothing shady goes down on the congo, it would suck for everyone to get a bad rep because of one persons actions.

  60. JustAMama says:

    Okay what I don’t understand though, is if you don’t agree with a particular WAHM but others on the congo are good, why would you not shop from the good ones? It’s not like you have to give your money to anybody you don’t like, so I don’t know why it would stop you from shopping at the good WAHMs’ stores?? Maybe I’m misunderstanding, this doesn’t make sense.

  61. CDMamasareNUTS says:

    Before you all start talking shit about people, maybe you should get your facts straight. Martha’s children are still with her and they are sorting out the mess. CPS is no longer seeking custody. Yeah, she got overwhelmed and probably needed help. Can any of you say you haven’t been in her shoes? She has three special needs children–that, in itself, is overwhelming. I can’t believe she’s being dragged through the mud on here.

    I am so glad I am out of the CD community. I guess when you obsess over what catches your kid’s piss and shit, it atrophies the brain a bit. This drama and viciousness is ridiculous.

    Oh, and about MookieDoodle, she’s had customer complaints for YEARS. I wouldn’t touch anything she was involved in with a 10 foot pole.

  62. Jess says:

    Some people were mentioned to be IN the congo, and in fact, ARE NOT….
    And damnit I can’t read that thread It’s “off limits” to me ::sigh:: I’ll have to go feed my children instead 😉

  63. DSDM2 says:

    This is where I got the info about the WAHMs.

    From Rembran (Mookie Doodle Designs) Talking about the New Congo:


    ” Re: Can we have another WAHM love fest?
    OOOH!! I’ll add to this!!

    I have to rave about all the gals who are in the new Congo on Hyenacart with me!! I seriously could not have asked for a better group of WAHMs to work with!!

    Everyone is so motivated, friendly and full of ideas and totally chatty! LOVE IT!!

    Terri of RAD*RAGEOUS! and The Mad Hatter
    Jacklen of lil Outlaws
    Kayti of Hooah Babies
    Sarah of A to Z Creations
    Pam of Puddin Babies
    Tammy of Paint Me a Rainbow
    Maggie of Sweet Pea Boutique
    Lisa of Toothless Grinz

    I ❤ you ALL!!!!

  64. DSDM2 says:

    #62. Guilt by association.

    If you can’t trust one, you have to be cautious of them all.

    Honest people don’t surround themselves with thieves.

  65. Jess says:

    Thanks DSDM2 🙂 I appreciate the link! (even though I think you posted it earlier and I missed it 😉 )

  66. JustPeachy says:

    #63 thats good to know. However since when is being jobless worthy of a fundraiser? And who talked shit? Everything I said was stated in her oh poor pity me story on the charity store.

  67. Lisa_m says:

    Ok, so I am the OP on the DS thread. I am sorry to Kayti that this ended up here. The one mama I told, you should not have “outed” her here without my permission. Kayti has emailed me to explain about a broken snap on a diaper and has offered up a few reasonable resolutions. She emailed me today twice while I was at work so I was unable to respond. She has assured me that she will send out my diaper (I opted for a refund on the broken snap one). She said she would send it out today, but I wasn’t able to let her know what I preferred, so hopefully it will be out tomorrow.

    The lack of communication is really the problem, but I hope that in the future if a delay comes up, she will do things differently.

  68. Lisa_m says:

    what happened to you and a bunch of other people? I must be so out of the loop…. Almost all of the regulars are gone now…

  69. Kaymadmom says:

    #40 Its called entertainment! Some people watch TV, I read blogs. I read blogs while breastfeeding my baby. Thanks for your sincere concern for his well-being, but I’ll raise my kids and you raise yours…okay? I’m sure you devote every waking hour to serving the needs of your children (except when defending the reputations of defenseless wahms!), but I’d go ape-shit crazy if I lived that kind of life.

    Everything you say (or SCREAM) is nuts. Its as if you think wahm’s are above criticism, but us non-wahms are desperate, bored, bitchy, neglectful housewives with too much time on our hands that you can feel free to criticize and pass judgement on as you desire. Ya, that makes perfect sense.

  70. JustPeachy says:

    You said it best #70
    And Lisa I got banned for not stepping in line and having an opinion about something that actually matters.

  71. JustPeachy says:

    You can catch me on HC or on my forum. I created it out of boredom LOL.
    Stupid name I know but I am not that creative when it comes to naming things (aside from children:))

  72. Janna says:

    fun times……I do have to add I buy from Pamela at Puddin Babies all the damn time…her bath products are to die for….the foot scrub is fab….as for the rest….no clue….I did donate monet to the raffle Mookie held for a mama that lost a baby and then she stole the money…..pretty shitty…as for the Martha raffle…I never went there.

  73. crystal says:

    wow i guess none of you have ever made mistakes before. we are all human and are bound to make mistakes. there’s no reason to tear people up over it

  74. umm anisa says:

    #42 i have a diaper by her and its ok. i didnt pay for i traded for it. i honestly wont pay more than $15 for it. its cute but the snaps are all over the place, and it didnt bother me since it was a tester.

    butsending somethin that crappy out is just wrong. hopefully she will fix it

  75. EarthMama says:

    #63, I agree 100%.

    I can’t believe some of you are downing Martha like that:/

  76. haha says:

    I love it when people come here defending themselves and all I can hear is “I’m CRAAAAZYY”


  77. A Mom says:

    I guess since DT is dead/dying they have to go somewhere, right?

  78. DSIsLikeAnEtchASketch says:

    #33: if it goes *poof* i’ll keep posting it. i’m walking a thin line outing over there.. and i pm’d one mama when she brought back up an interest thread i had made…

    note to self:
    if pics of the dipes don’t exist in more than 1-2 threads besides the wahm ones… they can’t be that good. if no one answers a “show me your babies in this dipe” thread.. run far far away…


  79. cdmd1023 says:

    I think this blog alone should be enough reason for people to just do a good job!

  80. Frazzled says:

    I think some of the new visitors to this blog could use the assistance of a direct link to Hooked On Phonics. Poor spelling and grammar combined with all caps is not a good combination.

  81. DSIsLikeAnEtchASketch says:

    lmao! besides the fact that she is warning us about ourselves….

    don’t listen to THEM!!!

    ….uhm.. I AM them… and I like listening to US…

    not her so much.. but us..

    & yeah.. I’m a lurker..but now that it looks like I might even get my own entry, I’ll come out of the woodwork…

    & btw: having never operated a serger, if you can tell from her WAHM thread pics that the tension is off, I really didn’t realize.

    …& the ONE pic of a soaker in a dipe looked like it was at least the WIDTH of the dipe.. but was folded back..& in hindsight isn’t that great…
    & also isn’t on the thread anymore.. b/c she has *now/recently* changed ‘her’ design again… and has done away with the snap in…

  82. AshleyB says:

    # 81, I love you! And, to the crazy WAHM defenders: I am a WAHM in my spare time! And, I will sit with everyone else and talk about the WAHM’s NOT to buy from, if they are scammers or have poor quality (or even slow ship times)! If you have a problem, start your own WAHM-defending blog for people with the typing skills of a 3 year old.

  83. AshleyB says:

    Er…82. It’s late here.

  84. Jess says:

    I really appreciate knowing when shit hits the fan…lol
    This blog keeps me up to date on NOT to buy from 🙂 I’ll be a bored crazy housewife, that’s OK! 🙂

  85. cdmd1023 says:

    know what, people will bitch, and they have the right to, if you choose to still go shop from said wahm, your taking a risk. if they do you good, good for you, but people should know about crappy transactions.

  86. JustPeachy says:

    This is what happens when we aren’t allowed to out people. People are tired of tap dancing around who it is and shit on DS so you are bound to have a few over the top posts.
    However as a wahm you should hold yourself to higher standards. Its a business and I really don’t like the fact that most people will be like oh feel sorry for them. I am understanding to an extent but I am paying not only for quality items but also quality customer service.
    If you have a problem that will delay shipment beyond your policies or beyond a day or two inform your customers.

  87. itsraininghere says:

    Ugh. I’m tired of ppl defending “wahm’s”. I think their work should speak for itself. If it sucks, guess what? Find something else to do! Why does everyone and their mother think they can make diapers?

    teeheehee. . .

  88. JustPeachy says:

    #89 too funny!

  89. Me says:

    FYI: Now dear Martha (scammer 1) wants to hold a raffle for Jen of delightfulthingz.com (scammer 2). It just keeps getting better and better!

  90. EarthMama says:

    LOL, wow Jen is the only person I know that always has some catastrophe going on in her life@@

  91. Me says:

    It’s all the time, isn’t it EarthMama? Rather than begging in real life for food (and get embarrassed by the ridiculousness of it all), she’ll do it semi-anonymously on the web!

  92. Rika says:

    Not a catastrophe – Mother Nature did her a favor by forcing her to clean out her freezers.

  93. JustPeachy says:

    So do they just go around and around doing fundraisers for each other til everyone catches on or what?

  94. Me says:

    I’m starting to wonder Peachy. Now, it comes out that a lot of the WAHMs are getting tired of the incessant fundraising. Thank GOD someone said something finally!

  95. DSDM2 says:

    Jacklen of lil Outlaws is now banned from DS.

  96. AshleyB says:

    What was the bashing she did? I’m curious since she always kept her posts clean!

  97. dsdnew2me says:

    #68 Darn, wish I’d seen that Oh poor pity me story. I’m sure there’s a lot more to her story than what she tells online. She’s got a long history of embellishing things….and downright lying. It’s just a shame that people were mislead to the tune of $400 or so for that raffle. If people pity anyone, it should be those poor kids. Their mother has a serious personality disorder, at best.

  98. psychotic Mom says:

    #101 Assuming you read the AOL board, I was shocked to see she is accused of threatening to kill her kids and all the shit she admitted! At first when I read the raffle page I thought God I HATE my MIL because of the obnoxious shit she does. I could in a sense relate to her supposed psycho MIL.
    However after reading stuff here and seeing what she posted in the last 24 hours, I think there is a threat to some degree in her house.
    CPS does not go to court to try to take custody UNLESS there is something wrong. The poor me story doesn’t come close to the info she PUBLICLY posted yesterday.

  99. JustPeachy says:

    Hey Im broke who wants to do a fundraiser for me? LOL

  100. AshleyB says:

    I will if you do a fundraiser for me next!

  101. psychotic Mom says:

    Adding to my above post, last week Jen from delightful thingz and Tammy had a raffle for Martha. Raised I guess almost $400. This week Martha wanted to have a raffle for Jen because she supposedly has no food due to a hurricane. Why doesn’t Martha just give Jen some of the money they raised for her INSTEAD of thinking wahms should donate prizes and the same people should donate money again?

  102. JustPeachy says:

    The only reason they raised that 400 dollars is because no one on DS wanted to speak up and say that it screamed scam due to the recent censorship.
    The fundraiser was started up before I got banned and you guys can’t even imagine how hard it was for me to not post in the thread they kept bumping in hopes of helping the fundraiser out.

  103. AshleyB says:

    Peach, are you banned for life or a temporary ban? If it’s for life, you should make a TON of new screen names to out the scammers each time!

  104. Mud says:

    So… of this congo, how many members are now banned or have bad feedback?!

    And why was l’iloutlaws banned?

  105. JustAMama says:

    For saying how crappy it was that Joanna of Ella Gene’s was banned unfairly. Mods considered it “bashing admin and DS rules”

  106. JustPeachy says:

    I am banned until 8/22/09 so I guess that would be temporary. I don’t think I’ll go back even when my ban is up due to recent stupidity. I won’t even give the mods the pleasure of having to ban me again.
    Trust me I have thought about it as I have access to other IPs as well as know how to change mine 😉

  107. JustAMama says:

    What’s with all the one year bans they’re giving now? Didn’t 3 months use to be the standard?

  108. JustPeachy says:

    I think that changed when they changed the rules after the last bout of bannings. I just assumed Id get a 3 month ban but nope got a year long one. Seems kind of harsh for just back talking a mod. I almost feel embarassed that I didnt do something that would actually be worthy of a one year ban.

  109. prairiegirl says:

    peach, ROFL, I wonder what one could post to get a permanent ban right off the bat. lol, I could think of quite a few fucking awesome things one could post that could be worthy of permanent banning lol

  110. mrstkeller says:

    So why was Joanna banned? This shit is crazy. The banning wagon has rolled into town and looks like it isn’t going anywhere.

    I hate seeing regular members who seem totally normal/appropriate get banned. Now. Mind you, I don’t read every post and try to keep my stay on DS to just CD’s but shit.

    (and it’s late and my eyes are crossing. . if I have typos. . .sorry. I am college educated. . I promise)

  111. JustAMama says:

    Joanna was banned because
    A) her siggy blinkie was 150×70, instead of 150×50 (roll eyes)
    B) she posted in extra fluffy that her store was stocking or something, not realizing it was spam (this was way back when she was a newbie)
    C) she was giving something away FFS and wanted the recipient to know where it was coming from so she put a link to her store. Yep. “SPAM”!

    They gave her 3 months, but after some petitioning they changed it to 1 month.

  112. mrstkeller says:

    #115. . you have got to be kidding?!! So when you get an actual ‘strike’ do they tell you? or are those pm’s about “ah ah ah ah ah. *finger waving*. that is a no no” actually a strike?

  113. JustAMama says:

    IDK, sometimes they’re strikes, sometimes not. But either way, Joanna only had 3 “violations”, though I’m not sure those should really count.. but the first one of them should’ve been a warning, so she should still have one strike left.

  114. JustAMama says:

    oh I heard rumor that lil outlaws ban was cut down from a year to two months. At least that seems more fair. Peach what did you do to earn your one year? Think they’ll lessen yours too?

  115. downy says:

    It looks like Joanna came back under a different SN. That probably means her banning will be a lot longer than a month.

  116. cdmd1023 says:

    is joanna ella gene? if so she came back pretending to be this completly new person to ds and promoting her own damn store, I find this to be so sad and crazy.
    if its not her I would love to know who it is

  117. cdmd1023 says:

    I email joanne and she claims she DID NOT come back under a new name and she has nothing to do with it and knew nothing about it. i emailed her back the post about ella gene diapers as well as the banning info.

    who knows!

  118. JustAMama says:

    I talk to Joanna through email, and she tells me damn near everything. I’d bet money that it’s not her. She does have a lot of fans though, I wouldn’t doubt it was someone really talking her up without her input.

  119. cdmd1023 says:

    admin said this person made 3 more screen names from her IP.

  120. JustAMama says:

    oooh not cool, whoever that is.

  121. cdmd1023 says:

    did anyone see the animal crackers congo stocked, I see some obvious copyright issues going on.

  122. JustAMama says:

    with which store? you mean the painted shirts?

  123. jeruco says:

    Yeah, sweetpeaboutique is not known for WHAM integrity per say.
    Oh, but she is first to defend crappy chunkibunz.

  124. jeruco says:

    I feel bad for the other stores associated with animal crackers. Its not good for their business.

  125. DSDM2 says:

    #127, From what I understand a few of her congo members aren’t either.

  126. cdmd1023 says:

    well, i emailed her, and she assumes Im bashing her, which I am not, honestly I just dont want anyone finding themselves in any legal trouble. I would have made the same mistake had I not asked on ds a few weeks ago. good luck to them!

  127. JustAMama says:

    I just went and looked at that one.. is it the Ella and Elliott stuff? I thought putting that it was **inspired by** or whatever skirted the copyright issue? or did I misunderstand whoever said something like that??

  128. cdmd1023 says:

    she changed it, which was smart. Most people dont know you cant do that, copy the image, so a friendly reminder was all that was needed.

    Im sure you are not really allowed to copy the exact image, but as long as your not taking credit for it, I doubt anything will happen to you.

  129. Mud says:

    You can’t copy an exact image. She knows this, she has been told this and is doing it anyway. And copyright holders do protect and seek out copiers.

  130. cdmd1023 says:

    well I assumed she didnt know. this is why i asked on ds, just to get the rules right 🙂 as a new hc owner, the last thing I want it to be breaking rules.

  131. jeruco says:

    Oh, she knows. That is why you dont see her VHC shirts anymore.
    A very smart WHAM once said. “Its more about integrity. Make up your own ideas. Dont ride the wave of others and make inspired things. Dream up your own images. It says a lot about someone when they are always making things that inspired by what others have already made.
    Be creative.

  132. JustAMama says:

    oh okay I get it.. great quote, btw.

  133. Mud says:

    And the only reason the VHC ones are down and not the other is because the *example* of eric carle’s people sending cease and desist was given so duh she thinks that is the only one to worry about. With her it is all about what she can get away with.

  134. JustPeachy says:

    I know alot of you guys dont pay attention to HC but I was reading this last nite and sort of cracking up.

  135. JustAMama says:

    peach I don’t get it? I didn’t see anything funny, did I miss something??

  136. cdmd1023 says:

    im assuming you find it funny because no one outside of the congo had anything to say.


  137. DSDM2 says:

    Not much sold so far. Hooha Babies didn’t stock?

    Mookie did though.

  138. jeruco says:

    Wow. I didnt expect that kind of bomb. I really hope the other congo memebers find out why a lot of people are avoiding this congo.
    I actually feel bad for everyone on there. It is disappointing when you are really excited for a big opening and then nothing sells. I am sure they all are hurt.

    I know, I know, some have done shady things as I have written above. But for some reason I feel bad for them all.

  139. JustPeachy says:

    I do feel a bit bad but then again thats what you get for associating with bad wahms.

  140. JustPeachy says:

    Kate yes that was it! Usually ppl on hc will comment on those types of posts with ooh nice stuff or how cute.

  141. cdmd1023 says:

    lol…oh well. I didnt sell anything for 2 weeks, btu I also didnt get word out. Im sure I would have been very dissapointed if I made this HUGE to do about it but nothing sold.

  142. crystal says:

    it’s funny to me to see some of you saying you feel bad for these mama’s who didn’t sell anything or had a poor opening when you’ve been bashing them and basically wishing them ill-will. This is what I don’t understand, the store wasn’t even open yet and instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt that things were better you went on and on about poor ethics and poor business practices. Gee why didn’t these mama’s have a good opening? could it be because you poisoned the well with all your negative talk so others didn’t even want to check them out?

  143. cdmd1023 says:

    I doubt thats why, or the only reason….the pictures are not great, and some things listed can be found cheaper elsewhere.

  144. survivor says:

    Have you seen these yet? Another congo with obvious copyright issues on the collabs:


  145. JustPeachy says:

    And since we are being honest some of the stuff that is being made isn’t stuff thats in demand.

  146. itsraininghere says:

    crystal Says: September 25, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    it’s funny to me to see some of you saying you feel bad for these mama’s who didn’t sell anything or had a poor opening when you’ve been bashing them and basically wishing them ill-will. This is what I don’t understand, the store wasn’t even open yet and instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt that things were better you went on and on about poor ethics and poor business practices. Gee why didn’t these mama’s have a good opening? could it be because you poisoned the well with all your negative talk so others didn’t even want to check them out?

    No, I’m not buying anything because none of it really looks that great. The collabs are, well, weird. . .

    Sorry if I don’t want a soy melt in a little plastic ketchup container made by a woman that likes to threaten ppl.

  147. crystal says:

    up until this post (#149) almost every other thread was a guilt by association bashing. I have no problem with people not buying/shopping because they don’t’ need or want the product…but the generalization really bothers me. I apologize because I also made a generalization in my post. I know that not everyone was bashing each member of the congo and I also that one blog is not going to keep people away completely, but it really doesn’t help.

  148. jeruco says:

    I still would have purchased from one of the other stores if there was something I wanted. There is nothing I like except I think the toothless grinz blankets are super cute for a baby doing tummy time.

    In addition Crystal, do you really think all of DS and HC customers read this blog? Come on. We dont make or break a whole congo here.

  149. crystal says:

    Jeruco, I posted in 150 (but it was still awaiting approval before your post) I realize that your blog cannot make or break a congo…However….I do think that your blog makes more of an impact than you think. Do you know how many people read this?

  150. DSDM2 says:

    Crystal, it isn’t Jeruco’s Blog. It is mine and TDMs and now DSDM3s.

    Guilt by association is common. People need to be prepared for it.


  151. crystal says:

    sorry i have my autofill on and have2laugh is another name i use on something else. I wasn’t trying to hide my identity so there is no reason to shout at me about it. I was replying to Jeruco’s comment that “we don’t make or break a whole congo here” when I said “your blog” i did not mean to imply that it was their blog. For those who believe in guilt by association, I sincerely hope that your entire business career is filled with nothing but honest and hardworking people because I would truly hate to see you taken down because of who you associate with.

  152. cdmd1023 says:

    #148, there are like 5 out there doing it.

    now I have elliot fabric, I am doing a set for my hc, I am calling it elliot since its the fabric, but I was planning on using the elliot shape cut out of the elliot fabric, thats allowed right? I mean, its obviously not exact, but very much alike.

    I thought I understood the rules, but its confusing.

  153. JustAMama says:

    maybe their congo is just off to a slow start? I see a few things I’d like, particularly the nursery letters from Lil’ Outlaws and maybe a rag quilt from ragrageous but I just don’t have the money right now. Those hats are cute too but it never gets cold here so we wouldn’t need one.
    Maybe it’s a combo of not enough advertising, people not having money to buy, and not having a ton of stuff that’s in high demand.. ?? I’m sure the drama about the congo over here didn’t help, but I’d be surprised if it were the be all/end all of their sales, KWIM?

  154. JustPeachy says:

    OK I have been checking out sweet pea boutique and I am curious if anyone can tell me if the shirts are in fact hand painted? I know some of them are but alot of them resemble iron ons I have seen available at Joanns.

  155. AshleyB says:

    Honestly, I like 2 of the WAHM’s stuff in this congo (Raining Baby Fluff & Lil Outlaws)…but I just wasn’t impressed by any of the other items really…and it didn’t help that nothing seemed to flow…there should have been a central theme to the first stocking! I like the “anything goes” stockings, but the FIRST one should have something spectacular! Not just whatever everyone has laying around kinda feel…

  156. JustAMama says:

    Peach I think some are handpainted like the Ooga and stuff but the “stinker” and “nuts” and stuff are iron ons I think?

    Ashley I think their first stocking was “animal themed” like animal crackers.. there’s zebra stuff, squirrels, etc..

  157. cdmd1023 says:

    yeah, I believe from her feedback they are mostly iron ons.

  158. Lisa_m says:

    Just thought I’d give a little update on my Hooahbabies purchase…
    I got my diaper and insert last week. She threw in a free pocket diaper. I thought all was well and was about to write an email to offer to pay for the free pocket diaper, as she refunded the 2nd diaper I ordered that had a broken snap. Well good thing I didn’t send my offer to pay because my refund from her never went through. I got an email from paypal saying, “Refund failed…” So I emailed her and heard back from her husband saying she was in the hospital, had emergency surgery and she would get back to me when she was better. Ok fine, although, I’m a little leery of excuses, maybe it’s true, and I can be patient.

    So I washed, dried and used the diapers and they leak horribly. One overnight and I had pee all over our bed and my baby’s pj’s. One during the day and it wicked through. It is such a shame because they fit my daughter so nice and are nicely sewn. I’m giving them 1 more chance and then I’m calling it a loss. I guess I shouldn’t complain because I’ve had a lot of good transactions on HC and DS, but this is just sooo disappointing….

    I’ll follow up here if/when she gets back to me and I get my refund for that 1 diaper.

  159. JustPeachy says:

    Wow Lisa that sucks real bad. Make sure you leave appropriate feedback for the diaper regardless of how the situation turns out.

  160. JustAMama says:

    I know it sounds obvious, but did you happen to wash/dry them on really hot in case the PUL stitching just needs sealed? I hate leaky dipes, I hope they pull through for you – especially if they fit well! Nothing sucks worse than awesome fitting diapers that leak 😦 Let us know how they are the next time around?

    Oh and also the overnight leaky one, was it one of her night-ops overnight dipes (I think that’s what she calls them?) or just a regular one? Cause we can only use a couple of kinds of dipes overnight, my DS just pees too much for most diapers..

    I do know that the Hooah Babies mama really is/was in the hospital though, if that helps..

  161. Lisa_m says:

    justamama-I’m glad her DH was telling the truth. I thought so because she hasn’t been on DS in a while. They are not her Night-ops ones. They are just regular pocket diapers. They fit my lo so nice. My girl is a little chubby and I can cross over the tabs. I can’t do that on a goodmama, lol!

    I did dry them on hot for an hour with the other diapers. They didn’t get super hot because there were other diapers in there, but I’ve never had other pockets leak like that. I’m going to try another one tonight while she is awake to see how it goes. I was trying to switch my daycare BGOS diapers to daycare pocket dipes with snaps, but if I send a diaper that wicks through, they will just never let me hear the end of it.

    I looked on her site and it says 1mil PUL. Could that be why they are wicking? Thinner PUL? I think our other pockets are 2 mil.

  162. JustAMama says:

    Maybe so – I’ve had some dipes that were the same brand as our reliable ones but the PUL seemed “different” and they leaked. Also maybe her “day dipes” just aren’t suited for overnight.. my DS will literally pee through just about anything in one pee. Overnight is just hellish if I have to use anything other than our tried and true night dipes. If I forget to do diaper laundry and all the night dipes are dirty, I’ll have hell to pay cause he’ll leak, without a doubt. (which reminds me, I should really get some more night diapers, I hate doing laundry LOL)

    Yeah maybe try washing/drying on really hot one more time without a bunch of other dipes.. seems like a PITA but if they fit so well, it would be a shame to give up on them too soon. Also you might email Kayti from Hooah Babies and let her know, she may have some suggestions and/or can tell you if the 1mil can have anything to do with it.. ?? (I mean when she’s feeling better, of course)

  163. DSDM2 says:

    Those links only work if you have an AOL account.

  164. Crazy Mama says:

    Sorry for the double post, had internet issues. You can sign up for a free account and read all you want.

  165. DSDM2 says:

    You are welcome to copy and paste it here 🙂 I’m not a fan of hanging on AOL. It bogs down my computer.

  166. Jenny says:

    (This is from the aol cloth diaper board – a customer, who tried to give mookie the benefit of the doubt posted this)

    Just looking for opinions on this matter. I ordered from a WAHM about 6 weeks ago, under the understanding the order would take a while since it was during a sale and also custom. 2 weeks later I added a couple things to the order. There have been a couple discrepancies in her emails to me and her Yahoo group about my order. She said it was starting one week, then 2 weeks later again said she’d be starting it. OK so anyway I have emailed her a total of 2 times asking about the status of the order. 2 times in 6 weeks. Doesn’t seem like a lot, to me anyway. A shipping label was printed last Thursday for my stuff. I was told it would ship over the weekend though. (I know all post offices are different but I know at mine you have to ship the item on the date specified on the PP shipping label.)

    OK so I filed with PP on the 45th day just to protect myself. Just in case, KWIM? So I get an email from her, seriously like minutes later, (mind you I sent her an email earlier in the day before I filed and it went unanswered) basically saying she understood my filing but if I don’t trust her I shouldn’t order from her, saying I was “hounding” her because I kept checking up on it, and also because a couple months ago I ordered from her and after a couple weeks went by I emailed her once asking about the status of the order not realizing one of the items I ordered was custom and not in stock. We were remaining very cordial through these emails, etc, but when I tried to explain as I did with PP that $45 is a lot of money and I wanted to protect myself, she replied saying this “And I understand that $45 is a lot of money for you but for me that’s a small order. Most of the orders coming in now for me are all $100+. :/ That’s why I say there’s no reason I’d keep your money.”

    That seriously pissed me off. WTH? I mean it wasn’t a $5 or $10 order. It is $45. Actually it is way more than that, it is well over $95 worth of stuff now because of the stuff I added on the 2 weeks later and stuff she owed me from something else. In any case she told me she would no longer accept any custom orders from me in the future because I hounded her these 2 times. I explained to her yet again that with the last order I emailed her only once not realizing I had a custom on there and once she told me that I did not email her again. This order I emailed 2 times in 6 weeks. I did not consider it hounding. Do you ladies think I was being a pain in the ass? Anyway I told her I would no longer be ordering from her custom or in stock in the future so this would never happen again. I am bummed about that because I like her products too but at this point whatever, if a WAHM pretty much tells you your order is meaningless to her why even support her at all?

    I think I pretty much covered it all. So was I wrong for filing? I mean yes she was in contact with me through emails and general emails to her Yahoo group, but a few times she said a few different things that just didn’t add up, and well I wanted to protect myself is all. So be honest was I wrong? Would you have filed if you were me?

    **Wanna hear something funny? She just escalated the dispute to a claim because she wishes to have no further contact from me. Unreal. My package was delayed because she has a chronic illness, because all her customers know by now to expect a longer turn aroundtime, because she ran out of supplies, because I added to the order uhhhh 4 freaking weeks ago. If I wasn’t so annoyed right now I would be laughing.

    ***Yeah yeah everybody say it at once, told you so. It’s Jennifer, Mookie Doodle. And I really didn’t sharing or not would have made a ton of difference since not many people here have her on their would order from list. But anyway that’s it, it’s her. I know all that’s gone on surrounding her but I try to give everyone a fair shot and not make judgements, etc. Stupid me.

    And I want to clear something else up since I was vague with my original post since I wasn’t going to “out” her. I originally ordered $45 worth of tarts. Then I won the Martha auction and won a bunch of stuff from her in there that she offered for the auction, and in addition I choose to get my $50 GC from the auction from her too, so as you can see it was well over $45 worth of stuff I am waiting on. But she had to go and make a point about my measly $45 order. @@ Well I hope she sits and spins on her $100+ orders from this point on.

  167. DSDM2 says:

    Can you hot link us? Like link the blog in the post on AOL and then click it a few times? I am having a hard time, it won’t let me in that thread linked here.

    I even signed in.

  168. dontneedtoknow says:

    Ok, you want to know why people arent buying (actually SHOCKED that anyone even bid on this set) Some of the stuff is cute- really is… but can anyone tell me what’s wrong with this FLEECE soaker here? Need a hint? um the waistband is COTTON. What do you think is going to happen when a wet fitted diaper touches that cotton waistband??


  169. DSDM2 says:

    Not only that, but the hand painted shirt is a second IMO. Look at the necks.

  170. cdmd1023 says:

    the soaker looks lovely, but most def. would not work properly. everything else is just ok. I think to make it on hc you really have to work hard, not just throw together random items that dont work together. Im sure they will all figure it out at some point. with the economy how it is, people wont just buy for the sake of buying, most people are only sending on what they truely need or love.

  171. JustAMama says:

    I think the soaker is really cute.. maybe she made the rise long enough that the cotton waistband doesn’t come in contact with the diaper?? Oh and that collab did sell – it’s the other one that didn’t.
    The mama that made that soaker is awesome, I have tons of her stuff – none of what I have has a cotton waistband but I say she knows what she’s doing as far as I’ve seen.. so maybe she did increase the rise or something.. ?? (would that help prevent wicking?)

  172. MookieDoodleisaCopyCat says:

    Jen of Mookie Doodle Designs is nothing but a copy cat. Everything on her site is a rip off of someone else’s brainchild. I don’t think she’s ever even had an original thought…even her scammin’ ass ways were ripped off from another WAHM who stole raffle monies.

    Beware of her mamas. Everytime you come out with something new or someone raves about your work, you can bet your sweet ass she will take note….and then you will see YOUR ideas on HER site as well.

  173. DSDM2 says:

    Looks like she (Mookie Doodle Designs) made the Juicy Apple AGAIN. Wow, she is a real doll.

  174. JustAMama says:

    ??? What did she copy? I don’t think I’ve seen tarts in containers like that before.. what else?

  175. Lisa_m says:

    Just a follow up on my situation. The couple more dryings seems to have worked. No more wicking through the diaper. They are good! Also, maybe 2 days after I posted the last update, Kayti resent the refund and it went right through. All is well and my drama is over 😀 I will leave positive feedback on HC, but truthful about the experience.

  176. Mud says:

    Sweet Pea Boutique, having been clearly told about her copyright violations has now actually set up HTF sections in her shop and is making a market of (badly painted/ appliqued) rip offs

    That’s classy with a ‘k’

  177. JustAMama says:

    Oooh I just noticed something funny – under “appliqued” shirts, she has all the iron-ons from Joann’s.. correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t applique a sewing technique, not ironing on? I don’t think she knows what she’s talking about! :/

  178. JustAMama says:

    On another note, though – did anybody notice that their congo stocked again for Halloween stuff? There’s actually some cute stuff in a couple of the stores (I like the fleece stuff at RBF and the leggies from LO, especially – oh and the wipes from RBF are adorable)..
    A lot of the stuff is so plain though, like Sweetpea’s stuff.. I call it “uninspiring” LOL

  179. JustPeachy says:

    It drives me nuts when ppl try to get sales by listing stuff as HTF. Red chickadees is not HTF as it was stocked recently at the fabric fairy. Hippos is not HTF unless you don’t have a Joanns nearby.

    I’ll give her that I think her hand painted shirts are pretty well done compared to some I have seen however the rest of her store is just blah. Who pays 15 bucks for a gerber tee with an iron on it?

  180. JustAMama says:

    Dude, I just got another Juicy Apple in my email about Mookie Doodle.. wtf?!

  181. Mud says:

    I notice sweetpea has taken down the painted elephants….

  182. justme says:

    Have you all noticed that Mookie’s congo keeps getting smaller & smaller? It’s like even her congomates are “getting it” & don’t want to be associated with her or something. Very interesting!

  183. JustAMama says:

    I haven’t been over there, didn’t notice.

  184. JustAMama says:

    Okay whoa what’s up with that? I just went to check and did anybody else notice?
    Almost all of them are gone! Are they all sick of Mookie’s drama?

    All thats left is both of Mookie’s stores, and sweetpea (yet another drama inducer), plus LO and RBF and the scrapbook chick.

    Weren’t there like, 10 or 12 stores before??
    Or am I dreaming that?

  185. justme says:

    Yep! There were a bunch of stores! I know Hooahbabies is gone, the hat one and the one with the rag quilts and, oh the one with the blankets with the animal heads and then wasn’t there another one that painted clothing? I think a couple other ones too but I can’t remember. Soon, it’ll just be Mookie all alone in her own congo all by herself, how sad. NOT!

  186. JustAMama says:

    Oh yeah, I loved those rag quilts! Wonder where she went..?

    Can it really BE a “congo” if you’re all alone??

    That must suck. I guess they all got tired of her constant cloud of drama (seems to me she’s like Pigsty on Peanuts, a little cloud following her LOL) and decided to take whatever business they had left and run! Might be a smart move, who knows.

  187. justme says:

    Whoa! Go look now! Mookie & her other store is gone!!!

  188. Crazy Mama says:

    Here’s a copy of the post on the AOL boards. This isn’t even the tip of the iceberg, ladies. I’m sure much more will surface over the next few days, but let’s just say she gets a LOT scammier.


    I wanted to update everyone. Jenn sent me a refund via echeck which failed to clear. I emailed her asking to explain and she stated yep that there was in fact no money either in her paypal or her checking account to refund. ALso she stated that she didn’t know what to do because she KNOWS that Holly got her stuff that there is no way it is lost.
    She also states and I quote: ”
    And I hate to say this…you can be mad all you want. You aren’t the only one believe me.”

    I know Tammy has severed all ties with her and has left the congo. IT is unreal that Jenn would do this to someone she supposedly called her friend.

    I am soo sorry for Holly who was kind enough to help a momma out in need only to get screwed (and not in a good way) SHe is out the items that Jenn donated plus the $50 gc that I donated:(

  189. crystal says:

    dang….looks like there won’t be anyone left…sweetpeaboutique has left the congo and her shirts are off of her site too

  190. justme says:

    I will never ever do business with Jenn, she seriously has problems, I just looked and now she’s back on the congo? WTF? Total Pigsty!

  191. JustAMama says:

    wow! Is anybody still there??

  192. justme says:

    Sweatpea is gone? Whoa!!!

  193. Crazy Mama says:

    #196- Word is she “accidentally” deleted herself while getting rid of everyone else, but IMO she did everyone a favor in that action. Sadly, she corrected it =/

  194. justme says:

    How do you accidentally delete yourself?

  195. JustAMama says:

    and where did you hear that? that’s crazy!

  196. justme says:

    Hmmm…maybe she has some inside information??? Hee!!!

  197. justme says:

    And…..it’s no more!

  198. JustAMama says:

    oh snap it’s gone!

  199. justme says:

    Did that congo even last a month?

  200. JustAMama says:

    yeah well when it’s started by the Drama Pigsty and also contains Hooah Babies and Sweetpea (who are both drama-filled as well), it’s no surprise. It’s just sad that those few good WAHMs got mixed up with them.
    I bet they’re glad to be free to go and be successful now!

  201. justme says:

    Another Juicy Apple on her!

  202. JustAMama says:

    YET another one??

  203. Mud says:

    I see that Sweet Pea however has Elephant stuff in her home shop again, and I know that the copyright owner asked her to remove them. Ballsy.

  204. JustAMama says:

    wow, that is ballsy. i knew the VHC was asked to be removed, didn’t realize the elephants were too. seems dumb to me. (leaving it i mean, not asking to take it off)

    i wonder what all of them are going to do now that the drama congo is gone.

  205. Mud says:

    There is now a note on the Kumquat site about copyright.

  206. DSDM2 says:

    She needs hit with a fine or court case.

  207. crystal says:

    “Mud Says: October 19, 2008 at 3:17 am

    There is now a note on the Kumquat site about copyright.”

    According to her note then ANYONE using that fabric for anything they are selling better watch their butts. She’d have a field day with all the stuff out on HC then

  208. JustAMama says:

    oh yeah, diapers, shirts.. everything!
    I can see not wanting it painted on stuff, but aren’t there those weird rules about using the fabric?? That it’s ok?

  209. crystal says:

    honestly, i don’t think using the fabric would be ok either. That is making money off their design. I know I was told before that I couldn’t buy say nascar fabric, make a blanket and sell it…so i’d imagine that all copyrighted fabric would follow that rule. there are so many out there doing it, i guess i’m confused as to why ONE particular hc store is being singled out though.

  210. Mud says:

    It is up to the copyright holder to take action, so who knows who all they have contacted, kwim?

    The statement about not using the fabric would be tough for her to defend~ that is such a grey area, but the part about images, yep, she has every right.

  211. crystal says:

    I didn’t mean why one store was being singled out by the copyright holder, i mean why one store was being singled out here.

    I think the copyright holder made herself pretty clear that any use of her fabric is not allowed. Most copyrighted fabrics do say for personal use only. I mean if you are making diapers with the Ella Elephant fabric you are using her design to make you money and as you said before that’s not allowed. Would you still have people lining up to buy it if it was a plain green diaper? chances are probably not.

  212. justme says:

    Can, let’s say, someone buy the fabric, send it to you to make something, you charge them just for your services & it not be copyright infringement? Would that be safe?

  213. JustAMama says:

    I would imagine you could.. I’ve seen links on that stuff before, someone posted them on DS. I’ll see if I can find them later..
    hey the fleece chick from the congo has her own HC for her stuff (which is nice) and they just revealed her guest vendor is the soap maker from the congo. looks like they got tired of the drama and paired up – good for them!
    it’s rainingbabyfluff on HC

  214. DSDM2 says:

    #219, yes.

    Another way is that if someone embroiders a “bat man” symbol on a diaper for you, they can sell you the diaper, but the symbol was free, and for personal use, does that make sense?

    But both are gray and not quite legal… It is “less” bad but still unethical.

  215. JustAMama says:

    oh that makes sense.. wouldn’t that be the same as if they were (example) selling you a elliot or ella diaper, and said the fabric was free, they were charging for their services?

  216. JustPeachy says:

    I am sorry but the part about the fabric itself being copyrighted is BS. Its already been gone over but when you sell the fabric you sell the license to the consumer to do with it as they wish. They cannot say you cannot make things to sell with it. I thought we all knew this after the Heather Ross debaucle?
    Here’s a link to further prove my point.

  217. JustAMama says:

    ooh thanks Peach, very informative

  218. crystal says:

    thanks Peach…so basically if people stop advertising a VHC diaper and relist it as a diaper made with VHC it’s ok? So they can say appliqued with VHC fabric and they should also be in the clear? I still wouldn’t take a chance when they say using the fabric is no ok. They might not win in court, but can many WAHM’s afford to take up a court battle over it??

  219. JustPeachy says:

    What I am getting is you can use the fabric however you choose to do so. What is considered infringement is if say you do a handpainted shirt with VHC artwork.
    Also that site is very useful if you are a wahm. If I am not mistaken they help you stand up to these big shot companies. I’ve seen reports on there site how they helped out various other small businesses when it comes to infringement cases.

  220. Jess says:

    Did you read her new policies for her store?
    She can take her 100$ a customer orders and shove it up her twat. LIARRRRRRRRRRRRR

  221. justme says:

    whos new policies?

  222. JustPeachy says:

    Mookiedoodles new policies. Apparently its a 20 day wait from the time you order til the time your stuff is shipped.

  223. JustAMama says:

    daaaaaamn. I don’t think PP will agree with that. Isn’t it 7 days as far as they’re concerned, custom or not?

  224. JustAMama says:

    see what else she has up?

    Awareness Melts and IN STOCK melts are available only!!
    Customs are closed!!!

    Got tired of the crap about her customs I guess?

  225. DSDM2 says:

    #231, yup. All Wahms are taking a risk when they do customs and don’t ship within 7 days.

  226. justme says:

    7 days!!! What if you tell them up front it’ll be longer?

  227. Crazy Mama says:

    Looks like she’s in the hospital. I guess she’s late shipping packages again and needs a cover =X


  228. justme says:

    It just keeps getting better!

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