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Are Goodmamas a PooPockets knock off?

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mamajane

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Are Goodmamas a PooPockets knock off?


I wouldn’t have thought so either, but the pictures are pretty incriminating.

I’m new here, so I don’t think I can post the link – but I saw this on a yahoo group I belong to. My jaw hit the floor.

www (dot) newconceptions (dot) com / copyright (dot) htm

Obviously remove spaces and replace (dot) with a period. I keep seeing discussions about this get deleted, so hopefully this won’t just because I’m new. I’m not being inflammatory just shocked and interested in what others think.


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Mom2two

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Interesting… Where did you find that link?

Here’s a direct link: http://www.newconceptions.com/copyright.htm

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Mom2two

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Interesting… Where did you find that link?

Here’s a direct link: http://www.newconceptions.com/copyright.htm

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Sweetpotatoesmom

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i found them
http://www.poopockets.com/

They look nothing alike.

The don’t seem to snap down and can be put on backwards and the have leg gussets

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TamberlyRN

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That’s a pretty big accusation…. The pattern does appear to match but to say such a major diaper is stolen is BIG….

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mamajane

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On a private yahoo group I’m on. I guess a customer of Kimi’s (the owner of New Conceptions) discovered the similarities while trying to make some GMs for her own baby. She e-mailed New Conceptions and the owner of GM has apparently been sent the photos and a cease and desist letter.

That’s the jist, anyway.


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Sabey-baby

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pretty sure if you put pretty much ANY diaper down on that pattern they’re going to be similar. There are only so many shapes a diaper can be and still have it fit a human child. But still, interesting to see how it plays out.

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Originally Posted by Sweetpotatoesmom View Post

i found them
poopockets (dot) com (editing, sorry it won’t let me post even a quoted link)

They look nothing alike.

The don’t seem to snap down and can be put on backwards and the have leg gussets

That’s a really old URL. You have to go to newconceptions (dot) com then type in /copyright.htm to see the pictures. I never would have thought they looked the same either – but the pattern pieces match up. Even if GM didn’t use the whole PooPockets diaper pattern, that’s still copyright infringement.

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That’s a pretty big accusation…. The pattern does appear to match but to say such a major diaper is stolen is BIG….

I know, that’s why I’m so shocked. I’ve seen posts from the GM owner that discuss copyright and stealing so I’m really surprised to see such incredible similarities in their patterns.

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ashleykaymay

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now IF (big if people big IF) this IS true and she has been issued a cease and desist…..maybe thats why all the auctions are happening right now? just saying….and that is IF it is true.

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clothmamaof4

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From what I can see by comparison it’s not a Poo pockets but a VeryBaby Fitted pattern, I believe New Conceptions is their pattern brand, I bought a Mama pads pattern from them and that was the brand on it. The VBFitted is the same as a GM http://www.verybaby.com/ccp0-prodsho…r-pattern.html


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luvsviola

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I have been looking at diaper patterns all day, since my mom just bought a NICE serger. They all look the bloody same. Seriously. There is not that much different in fitted diapers. They are either FS, overlapping FS, SS, or contours. But the basic shape is the same. The Very Baby pattern looks very similar to the Poo Pockets pattern, looks very similar to EVERY other pattern. Diaper shape is diaper shape, with each WAHM tweaking it a bit. I made up a pattern making my flannel diapers, and found something really similar online after the fact.

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Originally Posted by Sabey-baby View Post

pretty sure if you put pretty much ANY diaper down on that pattern they’re going to be similar. There are only so many shapes a diaper can be and still have it fit a human child. But still, interesting to see how it plays out.

Oh, I disagree. There are some other pictures Kimi didn’t put on her site showing the mama’s other patterns. She’s deconstructed SOS, MMOS, CBs and others and makes them cheaper for her kids. NONE of them match up like the GMs match up with the PooPockets.

I’m not a diaper making wahm, but others on the group talked about how hard it is to engineer the right curves, so if GMs match up it’s pretty suspicious.

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MaxineIsCute

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Seems to me like a lot of diapers would probably more or less fit into that pattern? Lots of diapers have a similar shape. Maybe not, I’ve never made a diaper, but I have laid my diapers out on top of each other before because the shapes were nearly identical and I wanted to compare…

I wouldn’t expect GM to comment if it’s going to become a legal issue though.

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Originally Posted by clothmamaof4 View Post

From what I can see by comparison it’s not a Poo pockets but a VeryBaby Fitted pattern, I believe New Conceptions is their pattern brand, I bought a Mama pads pattern from them and that was the brand on it. The VBFitted is the same as a GM

Nope, New Conceptions is a separate company, the VB folks just retail her brand.

I have the VB fitted, and it is much different than the GMs – longer rise, fatter wings, totally different shape. Even if it did, though – VB patterns have been around much longer than GMs. No other pattern matches up as perfectly when GM is laid on top than the PP pattern.

Primm_n_Proper_Baby

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Originally Posted by luvsviola View Post

I have been looking at diaper patterns all day, since my mom just bought a NICE serger. They all look the bloody same. Seriously. There is not that much different in fitted diapers. They are either FS, overlapping FS, SS, or contours. But the basic shape is the same. The Very Baby pattern looks very similar to the Poo Pockets pattern, looks very similar to EVERY other pattern. Diaper shape is diaper shape, with each WAHM tweaking it a bit. I made up a pattern making my flannel diapers, and found something really similar online after the fact.

Amen! There are only so many ways to shape a diaper pattern. I made mine from scratch with tons of trial and error, but there are other patterns that are similar.

IMO the GM wings/tabs/whatever you want to call them look far longer than the poo pockets. And the snaps are placed differently thatn the VB Fitted.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luvsviola View Post

I have been looking at diaper patterns all day, since my mom just bought a NICE serger. They all look the bloody same. Seriously. There is not that much different in fitted diapers. They are either FS, overlapping FS, SS, or contours. But the basic shape is the same. The Very Baby pattern looks very similar to the Poo Pockets pattern, looks very similar to EVERY other pattern. Diaper shape is diaper shape, with each WAHM tweaking it a bit. I made up a pattern making my flannel diapers, and found something really similar online after the fact.

NAK

i disagree. i have a lot of different diaper patterns and they are very different.

i’m not sure it’s technically illegal, though. if she sold a sewing pattern that she copied from another pattern then it would be, but i’m not sure that you can’t commercially sell something made from a pattern and have your suit hold up in court.

when was the letter sent?

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Sabey-baby

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It’s also just a little interesting that you joined today and this is the first thing you post and the only thing you post on? Not that I’m complaining, diaper drama is always fun

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Originally Posted by mamajane View Post

On a private yahoo group I’m on. I guess a customer of Kimi’s (the owner of New Conceptions) discovered the similarities while trying to make some GMs for her own baby. She e-mailed New Conceptions and the owner of GM has apparently been sent the photos and a cease and desist letter.

That’s the jist, anyway.


Just hearsay I’m assuming, but someone without permission was trying to make GMs????? Yea, that’s honest and responsible . Clearly there must be a difference in the patterns then…. if she wanted to copy the GM pattern over the PooPockets, huh????

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that is the most ridiculous accusation ever… really? a diaper shaped like an hourglass, who would have thought??? its like trying to accuse someone of copying you because they made a sock shaped like a foot. madness.
pretty much all diaper patterns are the same, like a pp mentioned – just tweaked a bit here and there. why oh why in this world of MOSTLY women entrepreneurs do some feel they need to drag others down, or shamelessly copy their artwork, or ride on the coattails of anothers success even if it means destroying reputations along the way… why cant we appreciate, enjoy and celebrate the success of our peers and lift each other up??

/rant

(not sure where that came from, i rarely comment here (see post count!!), but this topic annoyed me for some reason)

bug2003

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I think a lot of diapers look similar, that does not mean that one copied another. There are only so many ways you can make a diaper. Plus, the GM is layed on the pattern fully constructed, it is not stretched out how it would be when they cut out the fabric for the GM, which means, the GM is actually longer on the pattern than the pattern they are laying the GM on. I hope that made sense. So, really, the patterns for the two diapers would not be the same like they are claiming.

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Quote:

NAK

i disagree. i have a lot of different diaper patterns and they are very different.

i’m not sure it’s technically illegal, though. if she sold a sewing pattern that she copied from another pattern then it would be, but i’m not sure that you can’t commercially sell something made from a pattern and have your suit hold up in court.

when was the letter sent?

Thank you, I agree. Never designed my own pattern but I own just about every one there is and they’re all very different. Sure they might look similar when they’re completed, but man, change a quarter of an inch on a leg and it can really screw up the whole thing.

Anyway, I’ve no idea. I think in a court of law, it depends on the judge and the lawyers and all that. Past suits that have been won are based on the fact that you are duplicating a pattern when you cut a shape out from it. But law aside, I think stealing ideas is just low. I know it’s a big if and I’d like to hear GMs side, but I was really amazed by the pics.

I’m not sure about the letter, I just heard about it all today?

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It’s also just a little interesting that you joined today and this is the first thing you post and the only thing you post on? Not that I’m complaining, diaper drama is always fun

Heh, yeah. Guilty as charged. I just kept seeing the link posted and then the thread disappearing and I was so curious what the “masses” would think of it. I’m really not much of a discussion board person and stick to my private yahoo group of friends, but this really caught my attention with how huge GMs are right now.

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Just hearsay I’m assuming, but someone without permission was trying to make GMs????? Yea, that’s honest and responsible . Clearly there must be a difference in the patterns then…. if she wanted to copy the GM pattern over the PooPockets, huh????

Oh man, lots of mamas do this. It’s perfectly okay if you aren’t going to sell the product. Loads of moms really want to save money to diaper and aren’t going to spend $$$ on the hot items but like they way they look. So they buy one used, take it apart and make it out of cheaper materials. If a mama did that and sold it, that would be infringement on GMs… and maybe New Conceptions rights if the allegations are correct

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Stretch the elastic out on that goodmama and then lay it on top of the pattern. It’ll be longer and wider.

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OK, so that’s pretty much it. It’s the only page I got before it was deleted. Now remember, this is ONLY an accusation, and there has been no proof of any wrongdoing, so please keep it nicer than usual as I really like my blog and don’t want Goodmama coming after me. Thankyaverymuch!

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  1. the genius says:

    in reference to the comments about it being longer than the pattern. take a look at the pic. umm if you notice…the diaper is shorter than the pattern, because it isnt stretched out…it would lay perfectly over the pattern if it was.

    just thought id state the obvious.

  2. becka says:

    i thought id heard many times that suzanne was working on the gm for a couple yrs before it came out?
    dunno when that pattern was made but im curious regardless

  3. Melissa says:

    OOh, you missed some interesting stuff. People misunderstood and thought that the New Conceptions owner had taken apart a GM and got all accusatory about it. But from what I hear (and it’s all second or third or fourth hand, so take it for what it’s worth) – a CUSTOMER of New Conceptions discovered the similarities and sent the pictures to the owner. The owner is one of those ladies that keeps to herself and isn’t online on the forums and junk. Her pattern has been around since like 1998 or something, and since it retails at Very Baby, does nicely she doesn’t have to spam. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen her advertise.

    Anyway, so she didn’t even know that Goodmamas were all huge, just sent her standard cease and desist like she always does when there’s a chance someone is ripping her off. FYI, she’s had other copyright infringement cases on her website, posting information and links to the person. There’s been ebay people and junk selling stuff from her patterns, and from what I can tell the sellers disappear.

    So the word on the street is the customer is a person who deconstructs popular diapers that are too $$$ and remakes them out of cheaper materials just for her own kids. Doesn’t sell them or anything. She apparently had the Poopockets pattern on hand and recognized the similarities, took the pics, and sent them in.

    There was a photo on the yahoo group… a woman had traced around SOS, MMOS, and had a CB pattern (all one size diapers, for those not fluent in abbreviated lingo). She laid them all out next to the PooPockets pattern and a stretched out GM. They all looked crazy different except for the PP and the GM. Wish that pic had made it onto the thread b/c there were alot of ladies screaming about how all diaper patterns are hour glass shapes.

    It’s that snap in soaker that’s so damning if you ask me. Geez, what are the odds of nailing that almost exactly? I have like a hundred contour soakers here and none of them are the GM shape….

  4. MatildasMum says:

    *yawn*

    I’m just surprised anyone even CARES anymore.

  5. Melissa says:

    Rumor has it, she bought the PP pattern in 2005. She says on her website she worked on her diaper for 2 years, then opened up shop in 2007.

    Coincidence? I don’t know how you can spend 2 years on elastic and snaps if you’ve stolen the shape from PooPockets.

  6. theboardbitch says:

    meh….next

  7. What a wanker says:

    The wings are longer than the poopockets. By quite a bit actually.

    I’m really tired of goodmama’s and all the hype over a diaper. I’m sick of that always being the top store on Hyena Cart-does no one visit any other stores anymore? It’s just old old old. And all they are are lotteries and auctions-WHY stay there? Give another WAHM some business for pete’s sake.

    I wish she would get sued and lose, just so this ridiculousness goes away to be honest. I hate to feel that way, but I do.

  8. becka says:

    ive never gotten a gm, ive looked at some of the high auction prices, but my hc time is spent elsewhere, doesnt mean a girl can’t be curious :P~

  9. sara thats me. says:

    I don’t think GM is a Poo pocket just from a sewing stand point. the GM would be cut bigger before its sewn. Also the new soaker is much longer then the one pictured now. Plus Poo pocket has gusset’s.

    I am also very tired of the hype oh well. Some people have money to burn.

  10. Kayti says:

    Yeah from what I can tell from those pics, the rise is different by at least a 1/4 inch, the wings are longer, the front is shaped differently too. The only thing that matches up right is the crotch width. As for that soaker, the one they have layed over it is wrinkled and puckered. If it was flattened to it’s original shape it looks like it would be longer than theirs. Not to mention the whole point of poo pockets is the gussett that makes the “pocket”

    Given the shapes of most diapers there is bound to be similarity between them. This is greed, pure and simple. Not many people are interested in Poo Pockets but Goodmama’s are big business right now. I’m sure if Poo Pockets was doing well she wouldn’t care.

    I think Suzanne should file a suit for slander.

  11. The Bored Bitch says:

    I wonder what the next miracle diaper will be.
    Hopefully, the trend setters will pick one that changes its self.

  12. crackin' up says:

    i actually saw this before it got deleted and i was just wondering how long it would take to be posted here. honestly, what’s the big deal with a GM? i don’t get it. am i missing something??

    but i do have to say i was VERY excited to have ACTUALLY seen the thread before it got deleted and posted here!

  13. Kayti says:

    This has less to do with what’s so good about a GM and whether or not it’s okay to claim copyright on someone else’s design. When it’s pretty noticable like the Wahmmies and the TK Cuddlers both using the S-hook that’s one thing. But when it’s about the general shape of a diaper? That’s got the potential to screw over lots of WAHMs.

  14. MatildasMum says:

    Crackin’ up? They actually are lovely diapers. They are made from beautiful material and fit many babies like a dream.

    However, there ARE other diapers out there that are JUST as lovely. The lemmings simply don’t see that – yet.

  15. I Like Truth says:

    I think the only reason New Conceptions is going after GM is to get a piece of the pie.
    GMs are all the rave right now and Suzanne is making boo coo bucks so a pattern company is trying to get a cut of her profit and take her down.
    I hope it doesn’t hold up because that will scare other WAHMs and hurt them in the long run.

  16. Nosey Neighbour says:

    #11….That is what I was thinking!!!!

  17. Kathleen says:

    Hi
    I’m Suzanne Dunford’s (goodmama) pattern maker. New Conceptions has bitten off a big chunk. Not only has she impuned Goodmama, she’s essentially also accusing me of intellectual dishonesty. With over 25 years of well established intellectual integrity in the apparel industry, I’m not happy. I’ve never heard of this company. Much less seen their pattern. I’ve been making these since 1987 (21 years ago) when my son was born. Maybe NC copied me?

    I’ve done what little research on NC as I can today. Minimally, I find she does not have a license to operate a sewn product manufacturing company in the state of California (where she resides). Technically, this means her RTW product line are “hot goods”. She’s in TONS of trouble. They will shut her down. God help her if she’s sewing out of her home. The state of California will go to her home and take all of her machines, fabrics and business records. I don’t envy her.

  18. sbolen says:

    New Conceptions seems bitter. the pictures of these poo pockets on the kids don’t look like GMs. Seems odd to publicly defame GM like that instead of just quietly going through attorneys.
    But the real drama is….why was the thread deleted?

  19. Mamatutu says:

    Am I missing something? Are poopockets one size?

  20. you'llneverknow says:

    GMs can kiss my butt. there nothing more special about them than other diapers out there. they are just the “in” thing right now. give me a break, i’m surpised people even care.
    but i am surprised the thread was deleted…hmmm…

  21. The Bored Bitch says:

    Id take a Patchwork Pixie over a GM any day.

    Just sayin’….

  22. mamapixie says:

    Yes, poopockets are a one size diaper. The pattern has been around a lot longer than GM’s have been, so there you go. Tweaking a pattern, and then selling diapers you’ve made from that tweaked pattern is still copyright infringement.

    I think they look similar enough that New Conceptions has a case.

  23. Zukey says:

    This was just posted on Juicy Apple…
    1a.
    Goodmamas are PooPockets knockoffs
    Posted by: “cyncynerickson” cyncynerickson@yahoo.com cyncynerickson
    Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:58 pm (PDT)
    Trying to get the word out, but the link keeps getting deleted off of discussion boards and
    forums. Got this link on another yahoo group – not affiliated with either company or
    anything, just totally shocked!

    http://www.newconceptions. com/copyright. htm

    I agree that many diapers look very similar. The only problem I see is that Suzanne has done a great job of making/marketing and someone is trying to hitch a ride on her gravy train.

  24. Lilo says:

    I agree with mamapixie. I think it’s more about taking the pattern and adding snaps. It’s still cheating if you take someone else’s pattern and use it for the shape even if you add different aspects.

  25. The Bored Bitch says:

    I cant help but wonder why the attorneys for both parties arent handling this rather than breaking out the fisty-cuffs on online forums?

    Both parties are making serious claims here. It just seems to me that they would want to preserve whats left of their integrity and work this out in the court system.

  26. What a wanker says:

    Is this right? The pattern that is used to make goodmamas wasn’t even CREATED by Suzanne???? But some lady in post #15 named Kathleen????? I don’t know if what Kathleen is saying is true, but if it is then:

    Exactly what hard work has she (Suzanne) put into these diapers? People are always talking about how HORRIBLE it is for others to take Suzanne’s hard work and sell it at auction for more than they paid.

    What hard work? if she didn’t even create the diaper pattern in the first place, whether it be Kathleen or New Conceptions, I hardly see where picking out some fabric is hard work

    What a joke.

  27. I Like Truth says:

    Now I’m wondering if it’s all a bunch of crap to gain publicity.

    If they have attorneys and the like, plus letters have been sent, then NC would/should not be allowed to post those pictures until it’s settled in court.

    On the flip side, GM could in turn sue NC for accusing her of stealing a pattern if it’s found to be proven false in court.

  28. Natural~Mama says:

    I agree wit ‘What a wanker’ but Im also thinking it may just be someone who thinks it would be fun to start ANOTHER fight about whether Suzanne created her diaper pattern or not. If that was actually true i highly doubt that Suzanne or “Kathleen” would think it was a good idea to out themselves here. Either way, Im very curious as to how this will play out.

  29. Melissa says:

    Erm… so what was Suzanne testing for 2 years (as she says on her website) if the Goodmamas pattern was something Kathleen created 21 years ago?

  30. green~mammy says:

    very interesting.

  31. sassy1 says:

    How did I know this would be here? LOL!

    I just heard what was going on. I honestly haven’t a clue about who is right or wrong. All I know is, I do not for the life of me understand why there is so much drama surrounding those gosh darn diapers?! What is it that makes them so dramarific?

    (don’t get me wrong I know they are great diapers, but still.)

    And why on earth would somone who created Suzanne’s diaper pattern out themselves on this blog?
    ROFLMAO!

    Is that for real???

  32. MatildasMum says:

    absurdity. all of it.

  33. yestheyareallmine says:

    LMAO, she didn’t make the pattern, and she doesn’t sew them. So they are average looking diapers that are mass produced and have exposed snaps and serged edges. Huh.

  34. Stacey says:

    I totally don’t get this. Those diapers don’t look that similar. And what about other diapers that look totally the same as goodmamas? Like those piddle poddles and lx ones? Heck, even my OV loveybums look like a goodmama. I don’t get it. And who the heck is Kathleen? So weird.

    I had a gm and thought it was decent. I so don’t get the craziness, though. Even mutts don’t seem to draw that kind of crazy following.

    Why aren’t there any posts yet about the two mods stepping down? I’m curious about that more than anything gm related.

  35. cassie says:

    first of all, 2 mods stepped down? who?

    second of all, it’s LIBEL, NOT SLANDER. BREAK OUT YOUR LEGAL DICTIONARIES, KIDS.

    third, yestheyareallmine, you make me giggle.

    fourth, i’m glad i got rid of my GM now, when the resell price was high.

    fifth, the patterns look similar. notice how people don’t say it’s an EXACT match? that means, that even though the wings may be longer, the pattern still looks similar.

    sixth, the GM craze is out of control, and this is bringing it more publicity. 50% of people will freak and try to SELL SELL SELL!!! while the prices are still good, 25% will try to buy them all up so they can see for themselves if the rumors are true, the other 25% just want to ogle the drizama. the great GM stock market crash of 2008.

  36. MajKitab says:

    So the snaps are not hidden? Why would people go ga-ga over a diaper lacking that feature? Glad I don’t own one. They sound lame.

  37. cassie says:

    yeah, snaps are exposed. that’s the reason why i got rid of mine. it was fine while it was on the smallest setting, but once she grew bigger, it was over, we never really used it again.

  38. Madre says:

    Cassie I know Tara is no longer a mod. Not sure who else.

    fuck GM drama though. let’s discuss how no one on DS can spell. I hate being a grammar Nazi but some of the crap I read makes me cringe.

  39. sbolen says:

    Madre…are you talking about the poll on sexual orientation who cannot spell “does”?

  40. MajKitab says:

    Bad grammer makes me cringe, too, but it’s the last thing I would ever want to have a discussion about.

    This topic is pretty juicy and I’m interested to see how it pans out.

  41. sassy1 says:

    yeah I saw that Tara had stepped down, whats that about? Does that have anything to do with all this or no? Anyone know the scoop?

    Also, I saw the other thread started yesterday about all of this got deleted as well. nice DS…nice.

  42. just me says:

    Oh shit I missed a good one. I hope this kills the gm thing. While I think the diapers themselves are ok (plenty more IMO that are BETTER) I am fucking sick and tired of the GM drones/lemmings.
    Its a like a cult following the way these ladies act. Hell I saw one person get accused of bashing when she said she thought it was wrong people turning around to make a profit (which I agree with regardless of whether Suzanne or her sewing group makes them, essentially you are stealing)

  43. Madre says:

    Sbolen- that’s one of many. I just read one thread where the OP put the word “LIEING” in big letters. I might have to go start a forum only for people who comprehend elementary English.

  44. just me says:

    I have to wonder where these people went to school at. Lieing doesnt even look remotely correct DINGBAT.

  45. FatCat says:

    It’s ONLY Libel if it isn’t true.

    As a diaper sewing mom, I can tell you that I do believe it is the same pattern. I’ve sewn enough diapers, from enough patterns to be able to spot a pattern that may have had…what… a quartet inch taken off the rise. And the wings lengthened? Everything else matches up almost perfectly and that’s just a coincidence? *riiiight*

    I believe the goodmama bad mama developed her own pattern by using the poo pocket pattern and shaving a little off here and there. It’s wrong, and I wish that people would stop defending it. (not you guys)

    True… there are only so many ways to make a diaper. But that is just freakishly identical to the poo pocket at too many important points.

    The other thing that gets to me is all the freaking auctions. She’s making such a huge profit on others work. Are her personal sewers getting a cut of that action?

    Her reign will come to an end…. she’s abusing the craze. People are starting to become bitter.

  46. What a wanker says:

    Bidded – I hate that one – that is one I always want to say HELLO-THE PAST TENSE OF BID IS BID! DUH!

  47. mamapixie says:

    SALED or SALE when the poster means sold or sell. WTF?

    I actually put a poster at DS on ignore simply because of her grammar. No punctuation, misspellings galore, and horrible grammar. It made me twitch every time I saw one of her posts.

    And now that I know a GM is a poopocket with snaps, I’m going to go buy myself some bamboo velour and some cute fabric, and make one myself. I’ve had the pattern for years.

    I’ll make the snaps hidden though.

  48. Yes, 2 mods stepped down. As there was no announcement made about why they stepped down, and I don’t think either of them frequent here, there was no post about it.

    Grammar schwammer… it’s not drama until you start a thread. :p

  49. Kathleen says:

    In the garment industry -actually any industry- there are engineers who specialize in certain facets of what could be broadly called industrial design. A pattern maker is an archaic job description probably best described today as a product design engineer. The job functions are myriad. Part is materials engineering (the performance of fibers and in part, so called “yield” for most effective utilization of materials) and lastly, industrial engineering. Industrial engineering means designing a pattern in such a way as to make the most effective use of people’s time. You could think of this as designing the sewing order and process to say nothing of cutting the pattern specific to a sewing contractor’s equipment. In home sewing, you have one machine and use a broad based seam allowance, typically 5/8″. The problem with industrial equipment is the seams must be designed specific to the equipment AND materials. For example, a flat felled in a 16oz denim would take 3/8″ on one side and 5/8″ on the other joining side. It would be less in a blouse weight, perhaps only 1/4″ etc. It depends on the material and machine.

    Contrary to what’s taught in fashion school, vogue magazine or in home sewing, in the garment industry, it is not the designer’s job to make patterns. It is preferable they don’t. It requires mind numbing attention to detail, engineering. Designers are generalists, their job is to get the whole package together, managing the oversight of timelines, sourcing and production. It is simply too much to expect them to also understand the minutia of production equipment and operations. For my part, I much prefer my role. You couldn’t pay me to do a designer’s job. I have no desire to deal with buyers, consumers, fabric suppliers etc and make sure everything gets where it needs to be and when, in time to have it cut, sewn and delivered to customers. My role is much easier to define and control. If the item doesn’t sell (the risk is the designer’s) it is rarely my fault. My control is usually cost. I’ve done my job well if the item can be sewn quickly, WELL, all seams matching, and uses the least amount of money, time and fabric.

    It is standard to hire this work out, either with in-house pattern makers or outsourced services. Like any engineer for hire, we charge fees based on the work rendered, usually time. Were this not the case, leagues of engineers would be unemployed. As it happens, there’s a critical shortage of them. If you’re interested in knowing more about how the apparel industry works, may I suggest visiting Fashion-Incubator.com? http://www.fashion-incubator.com This site is for designers. It’s how to start a clothing or product line according to standard practices in the trade. This is distinctly different from the view point of fashion magazines which are designed for consumers.

    Every manufacturing enterprise hires engineers to generate the blueprints for their products. Apparel is no different. There’s no shame in it. If anything, it is less professional designers who make their own patterns. They tend to go broke as they underestimate the significance and import of the task. In 25 years, I’ve met two designers qualified to make their own patterns. One of them was a production pattern maker at Evan Picone for 13 years before she started her own line.

    Lastly, it wasn’t GoodMama who broadcast this on the internet. NC acted rashly and unprofessionally, no sane attorney would have recommended this action. She never notified GM of her allegations. She just posted it to the internet. It would seem NC has the habit of running her business based on untoward practices. Another example of this is that NC doesn’t have a garment manufacturer’s license as required in the state of California (you won’t find her listed here http://www.dir.ca.gov/ftproot/garmrgcms.txt). This means that legally, she runs a sweat shop. It would seem she bends the rules as a matter of course to serve her own purposes. She thinks she doesn’t need one because she doesn’t make “garments” but judging from a recent case involving baby blankets, the state of CA is less than amused by manufacturers who take liberties with semantics. Somehow, I think come Monday, her strategy will backfire. This whole case reminds me of that old expression, “if you’re bent on revenge, you better dig two graves”.

  50. The Bored Bitch says:

    i lerneded lotts on this thred.

  51. Madre says:

    me two

  52. just me says:

    Kathleen you are ASSuming she has OTHER people working for her. Do you know for a fact she has other people working for her or is this just an ASSumption?

  53. Kathleen says:

    “Just me”, I suggest you do some due diligence in order to retain some credibility and to prevent making your own ASSumptions. I have twenty five years experience in the trade, have written the most highly rated book in the garment industry and lastly, have the most popular website on how to start a clothing line on the internet. I run the largest professional association of clothing designers. That’s in addition to other trade activities too numerous to mention. I’ve been interviewed more times than I can count by newspapers, magazines (including French Vogue), TV, radio and other authors. I’m here because I am distressed that one of my most hardworking clients of unparalleled integrity has been so unfairly slammed with these allegations by someone lacking ethics. She’s never contacted my client btw.

    The law isn’t incumbent upon whether she has others working for her. Rather, *any* person who either resides in CA and uses sewing services there or *anywhere* (even China etc) or anyone who does not reside in CA but uses apparel industry services in CA must have a license. She has a licensee in Idaho and sells diapers herself. As such, not only does she need a license but her licensee in ID needs one as well. There’s more info here:
    http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/apparel_manufacturing_in_california.html
    http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/california_garment_license_for_out_of_state_companies.html
    http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/studying_for_the_california_garment_exam.html

  54. What a wanker says:

    “It is preferable they don’t. It requires mind numbing attention to detail, engineering”

    yes, and people have been blindly supporting Suzanne based on the belief that she was the actual person who devoter herself to such mind-numbing attention to detail and engineering.

    Seems Suzanne may be nothing more than a diapering general contractor.

  55. just me says:

    Exactly wanker. Shes no better then the wahms people have been bitching about ripping her off.
    On one hand I hope she tanks. However on the other I am cringing at the thought of the prices GMs will go for once Suzanne is gone and buried.

  56. MajKitab says:

    Kathleen… Does Suzanne know you are posting here?

    Just wow, really.

  57. Madre says:

    Kathleen you are going to a.)lose your job b.)lose Suzanne money or c.) all of the above

  58. bugabear says:

    I’m not affiliated with goodmama in any way except I do own some of them. That said…

    I really don’t understand all the anger towards a WAHM who made a diaper and managed to make it well enough and market it well enough to go big with it. Honestly, why can’t mamas just be happy for other mamas who do well with something? If anyone honestly believes that you can start mass producing any type of garment without hiring out responsibilities then I think that’s just naive. Suzanne does well enough for herself that she can afford to hire someone to navigate the ins and outs of mass producing her diapers (not to mention employees to handle customer service and shipping) and that’s a bad thing? What’s so bad about being successful and enjoying the benefits of that success?

  59. dazed says:

    This is just too much….Suzanne, goddess of the diaper world, sits on her throne while thousands worship her and spend $100+ on SINGLE diapers with her brand name on them, and she isn’t even the “pattern maker” or the sewer? Can someone else please blog about this somewhere else as well? People need to know!

  60. haha says:

    Okay so not that I’m defending GM BUT, there’s something about changing a pattern by 30% and that’s enough to call it yours. I personally don’t think that the poo pockets and GM look THAT much alike. (I also noticed that the very baby and VB snug wrap are almost identical!) And if I wasn’t annoyed at the whole ordeal I would buy the poopocket pattern, make a diaper and compare.

  61. FatCat says:

    Seriously, Kathleen. I don’t believe you are who you say you are simply because as a professional, I don’t think you’d be out here on the diaper swapper drama boards spreadin the word.

    Suzanne has led everyone to believe that she herself drafted the pattern with 2 years of hard work, sweat and testing.

    Either way she doesn’t seem to have.

    A. She purchased a poo pocket diaper pattern (she herself admitted to this) but says she only made ONE and it suuuuuucked. (and yes, she actually did say it suuuuucked… with that ,many u’s)
    B. 2 years later, she’s selling diapers almost identical to the poo pocket, but she didn’t copy the pattern because it sucked so bad. Yeah, likely.
    C. Neither and had a pattern maker draft a pattern for her and has lied to everyone about drafting her own pattern/

  62. me says:

    kind of funny that gm is getting a cease and desist – all the while sending cease and desist letters to anyone whose diapers remotely resemble hers – i mean, there’re only so many ways to make a diaper, right?
    *snicker*

  63. delta says:

    Iiiinteresting. I don’t think this drama is going to die any time soon. And honestly, I hope it brings an end to the goodmama, well- illness really, that seems to have captured so many. It’s the cool club for moms, and you’re not invited unless you spend your last penny on some freaking lame auction. Whatever! I’m not impressed with GMs or Suzanne herself, such selfishness.

  64. Stacey says:

    where’s the popcorn smilie when you need it?

  65. Nadine says:

    :popcorn:
    Dude.

    Seriously, what a fabulous name to so called “WAHM” she has given. *sigh*

  66. Ashley says:

    You all are on crack.
    My lone goodmama and my poo pockets (that I cant freaking get rid of) aren’t similar at all, and one works a helluva lot better than the other. Sry, it has to be said.

    This lawsuit has been done. MANY times. Many, many times. And NC is going to lose. No matter what, even if GMs are slightly modified poo pockets. Why? Pattern copywrites don’t cover the end product, just the pattern. You can make as many poo pockets as you want and sell them, but you can’t sell the pattern.

  67. kaya says:

    No, not on crack, lol…. I think this discussion has turned. The poo pockets thing is a nice diversion, but what’s really interesting is the idea that this was never even designed by her. I had always heard she spent a full year+ designing etc., testing, and sewed all of them herself until recently- that’s why these are so worth piles of cash, because someone who designs an awesome diaper through hard work ought to be rewarded.

    If she just had the money to have someone else design them, then has others sew them, they’re less a WAHM product than FBs. At least she did her original design. This is WAHM as marketing ploy, that’s a bit off IMO though obviously it worked for GMs. It’s kind of something to think about, really.

    The craze will die down one way or another, enough diapers will be in people’s hands that no one will pay auction prices anymore.
    The truth, hopefully, however, will out and the ethics of the situation will become known so that people who actually do make buying decisions based on that stuff can use the information.

  68. dazed says:

    #66~ This is no longer about the poo pockets for me…I’m totally blown away by the whole “Kathleen” thing, and I don’t think you have to be on crack to be pissed about it. I found this post where Suzanne gave $500 to someone named Kathleen for a marathon: http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/shorten_a_separating_zipper.html

    and this one where they are in a picture together:
    http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/news_from_you_52507.html

    so there is obviously some sort of affiliation there. The idea that there are so many hands and minds and so much much money involved with gm’s leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think that gm has officially become a big corporation, and greed and lies are sure to go along with that. JMO…

  69. What a wanker says:

    Ashley

    That is exactly the sickness we speak of!

    Wahhhhhhh! I love my GM’s and Suzanne so much, I don’t care if she stole from someone else and used their hard work as her own! I don’t care if she lies through her teeth! I don’t care if she is a hypocrite! I don’t care, I love her and her diapers and I will fight for her to the end! Yes I will!!!!! So you all better stop being mean to my GM Goddess waahhhhhhhhhh!

  70. subpariq says:

    lmgdfao (for the poster that hates netspeak).
    Could it be that the immortal Suzanne is fallible? I think that Suzanne showed her true colors a long time ago when she accused the mutt woman of stealing her design. Since then, we have seen little snippets of the real Suzanne like her kind comments about women that formula feed. I also really like how she says in one breath that it is okay for people to resell her diapers and then denounces it in the next breath. I’m also of the opinion that she was doing some shady stuff with the wishboxes when everything was held up. I think her customer service sucks ass and I was not fooled for a minute by her sweet act because she never could hide her claws. The fall from that pedestal is a long way down.

  71. Texas*Mama says:

    Kathleen, if you are who you say you are, then you’ve done an excellent job of trying to promote yourself and your own website here. Do you actually see a potential client-base here on this drama blog? I hope so since Suzanna may fire you for outing her as the no-talent hack she is.

  72. Texas*Mama says:

    subpariq, my personal favorite was her justification for her auctions. I can see a small WAHM doing this. I can understand used ones being auctioned (a la eBay). But for a company the size of hers it is just plain tacky.

    Who cares that she *can* garner such high auction dollars because you are the “it” product of the moment? Can you imagine “True Religion” jeans auctioning a pair of pants? Or Mercedes auctioning a G55? No need, they set their retail price high enough to make plenty o’ profit — and so does Suzanne.

  73. Kaymadmom says:

    Wait, I thought it was well known that Suzanne doesn’t make the diapers. If she’s going to have some other group make them she would have to have a pattern for them to follow. So, she hires a pattern writer to take her pattern and make it useful for that application. Why does anybody think Suzanne would be pissed about Kathleen exposing this? Its just part of the deal.

  74. subpariq says:

    Yep Texas Mama. The infamous, “the proceeds will go to cover supplies and materials.” Yeah, isn’t that what the money paid to you for the wishbox two fucking months ago was supposed to cover? Shady, shady. The auctions were in incredibly poor taste except for the few charity ones she threw in once in a while to keep the choir singing her praises. I think somehow or other Suzanne has gotten herself in a serious financial pickle.

  75. What a wanker says:

    Kaymadmom

    The problem is not that she has other sewing for her now. The problem is that she said SHE created the pattern, that SHE put her blood, sweat and tears into creating this FABULOUS diaper over TWO LONG YEARS! That SHE is the designer.

    Reality check-she didn’t do anything but pick out some fabric for people to put together according to someone else’s design.

    She is nothing but a diaper contractor. She isn’t even close to the definition of a WAHM.

    So who CARES if others sell these stupid diapers for more than retail? Really? She can steal from others, lie and be a hypocrite, but is above reproach?

  76. Mrsmama2u says:

    I don’t think it is the poopocket but the other diaper they have a patent on. I thought you could get a patent on a diaper like fuzzy bunz does.

  77. MajKitab says:

    Kaymadmom ~ According to Kathleen, it was never Suzanne’s pattern to begin with.

    You can read her first post #17 in its entirety, but here’s this part: “I’ve been making these since 1987 (21 years ago) when my son was born. Maybe NC copied me?”

  78. subpariq says:

    NOOOOOOOOOOO # 76. Not so! Suzanne has been pouring her blood sweat and tears into these diapers for years. She said so herself and she is perfect. Stop blasphemizing Sainte Suzanne.
    What I would like to know is where Suzanne got off accusing Michelle from Muttaqin of lifting her design when she didn’t even have a design. Does Suzanne even sew?

  79. just me says:

    Someone brought up customer service and I’m glad they did. I think its horrible customer service to give people who pay more $$$ priority over people who have already paid and are awaiting product ala the no wait switchbox. Im surprised that the drones let that slide. I’d be horribly pissed off and I’d ask for a refund.

  80. Aly says:

    I never post on here but I have to say to FatCat that it is pretty low to join a community dedicated to GM lovers and then come on here and bash Suzanne and quote things that were said in a locked post,especially when the community is known for being drama free.
    Having your opinion about someones work or customer service is one thing but to go into that community designated for the WAHM and their fans to discuss their diapers when you’re planning to turn around and bash them is fucking pathetic.

  81. bugabear says:

    When was the no wait SB? I got in on a picked up WB when other people chose refunds instead of waiting it out for their boxes when goodmama was having supply problems, but I still had to wait 6 weeks and got mine after everyone else’s orders were filled.

    The only other thing I’d like to point out is that the more everyone talks (even negatively), the more drama there is…that all means more publicity for her product. Part of the reason goodmamas are so sought after is because of the drama surrounding them.

  82. haha says:

    Here’s my thoughts on people waiting. By the time they knew there were issues it was past the paypal filing date. I think that Suzanne honestly didn’t KNOW there was a huge problem until it was to late. It easy to get buried under. Did she handle it well? Hell no. Did she learn from it? Yes. I think that’s important to remember while we are bashing her that at least she’s learning from her mistakes.

  83. IAmWhoIAm says:

    I’m not getting it apparently. According to this link, http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/news_from_you_52507.html, Suzanne is in the middle (white hair, heavy set).

    In her profile at DS, http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/member.php?u=10688, she’s thinner, younger and brunette. What’s up or am I not reading correctly?

  84. It says she’s 2nd from the left… which makes her tall, young, brunette, etc. :)

  85. What a wanker says:

    Heather appears to be missing or cut off or something. Suzanne is the tall, think brunette.

  86. What a wanker says:

    tall THIN brunette
    I hate my new keyboard.

  87. delta says:

    It’s too bad, really. Goodmama had all the makings to be a really REALLY kick ass company. I don’t even care if she isn’t a WAHM so much (if she didn’t talk the talk I guess)- but it appears that her greed is getting the best of her, as it should and always will. I can’t see how she can stay in business if she stays the course. I don’t think it will be long before everyone smells a rat. I know many of us already have, a long time ago.

    And just for the sake of making a point, I happen to know that Michelle of Muttaqin is not the only WAHM that *she* has gone after. There have been others. She truly is vile.

  88. haha says:

    ooh do tell who else has she gone after?

    As far as Mutts..I just scored my first baby shape and I must say it is a lot alike but not exactly..plus it fits better than my GM!

  89. kaya says:

    Aly- why in the world do you think that DS is a community devoted to GM-worshippers? For real, why? They are the latest trendy diapers, and DS is a diaper board. That by no means suggests everyone loves, respects, or even cares at ALL about the brand.

    Also, this IS NOT DS. This is a blog you can read or not, and if you don’t want to know about the drama that gets deleted from DS stay off it. They have the right to delete what they want, per their rules or their whim. This blog also gets to pick it’s own rules. Seriously, just leave if you don’t like the way the place is run, I think it’s kind of cool.

  90. dazed says:

    Not only has Suzanne “gone after” other WAHM’s, she’s sent them nasty emails detailing how she spent years pouring her blood, sweat, and tears into her pattern….the pattern that, according to Kathleen, has been used for making diapers since 1987. It’s so frustrating that she can be evil and crafty behind the scenes, yet you can’t let anyone know on DS because it’s “WAHM bashing”

  91. bugabear says:

    Kaya — Aly is not talking about DS. FatCat quoted Suzanne from a different community specifically devoted to GMs and people who like them.

  92. Aint no drama mama says:

    I bought two GM’s in the same day.. & they arrived the same day in separate packages, what a friggin waste.

    GM’s are not even that great, they’re getting the BOOT big time from my stash. Yeah some of the patterns are cute, yeah they work – just like all the other diapers I have. I don’t really think that my DD cares what she pees or poops on, as long as its clean & soft.

    I think its a shame that GM’s are so hyped up. There are so many other real WAHM’s that would appreciate our business a lot more. I think its a true shame that Suzanne auctioned off already made “no wait” boxes when mamas are waiting & still waiting for theirs. It just shows a what a money grubber this broad really is.

    I’m sad that I even wasted the few hours I did on stalking these diapers. But I guess its no big loss on my part, I’ll make my money back quickly & lose no sleep over this.

    But going back to the topic, the diapers look the same, but who cares. Suzanne has the fame now, she could probably make any kind of diaper & women would still stalk her site for them.

    Just my opinion.

  93. FatCat says:

    I found that quote on another board. I didn’t join her live journal community. Just an FYI ;)

  94. Aly says:

    Kaya,what bugabear said.There is a community on a different website not DS that is specific to GM,the comment Suzanne was made,was made in a locked post so that anyone who would have seen it,had to be a member of said community.

  95. bugabear says:

    FatCat – how would you know I was talking about LJ?

  96. FatCat says:

    It was taken from a board that specifically SAID it was from her live journal.

  97. Lemony Snicker says:

    From Suzanne, written by her on LJ tonight- I was given express permission to copy/paste.

    “Kathleen is a pattern maker by trade. I bought her book when I decided I was tired of sewing all night and wanted to take things to the next level. She gave me a lot of advice and I sent MY PATTERN to her and she looked at it and gave me some assignments for how to make it cheaper/easier to sew larger scale (my original version has the turned legs which are really expensive to do serging then turned legs — just so many steps) gave me the OK that she thought it would be fine when we were done. A patternmaker puts your pattern on the right kind of paper and can also give you contacts because they know EVERYONE. She did not make up my pattern — I did testing for as long as we have all said, and made it myself. I have the community records to prove it too.”

    It seems like a lot of people are making accusations.

    FatCat, you want to hand over a link? Because you’re looking mighty suspicious right now.

  98. sassy1 says:

    quote]lmgdfao (for the poster that hates netspeak).
    Could it be that the immortal Suzanne is fallible? I think that Suzanne showed her true colors a long time ago when she accused the mutt woman of stealing her design. Since then, we have seen little snippets of the real Suzanne like her kind comments about women that formula feed. I also really like how she says in one breath that it is okay for people to resell her diapers and then denounces it in the next breath. I’m also of the opinion that she was doing some shady stuff with the wishboxes when everything was held up. I think her customer service sucks ass and I was not fooled for a minute by her sweet act because she never could hide her claws. The fall from that pedestal is a long way down./quote

    what did she say about FF’ing mamas?

  99. Mary says:

    There was another WAHM who said some disparaging things about FFing mamas and it was mistakenly/maliciously attributed to Suzanne instead of the mama who actually said it. She addressed it in her blog a while ago and the issue died.

    It gets dragged out of the grave by the GM haters occasionally, but it was apparently all false.

  100. Nicki says:

    Shiznit, I guess I just don’t feel right owning GM’s now. I was under the assumption that she came up with the pattern and poured so much hard work into it….UGH!

    GM’S for Sale! Get em’ while they Hawt!

    P.S. We need a separate thread detailing people’s bad experiences with GM’s, lies and the such. Can we start one? I wish I would have known this before I paid out the hoohah for a SB.

  101. Nicki says:

    Ok. I read her post from LJ, but the fact that she TRIED the PooPocket and then said it sucked, yet it matches up almost perfectly….WAAAAAY too fishy.

  102. Nicki says:

    Wow, Totally off topic, but my monster eerily reminds me of myself at 5 am in the morning! Right on!

  103. Madre says:

    #97 no one is making assumptions. If you scroll up and read all of Kathleen’s posts, she takes credit for making the goodmama pattern. Nice try minion…

  104. Melissa says:

    Oh brother. The NC owner received pictures from a customer who discovered the likeness between her pattern and a ready made brand. She sent a cease and desist letter, which is totally standard procedure. She didn’t “go after” GM b/c of their fame or hugeness, she sent a cease and desist letter like she has always done whenever anyone sends her proof of someone using her patterns against her terms.

    The GM woman has sent cease and desist letters of her own. This is standard procedure. It happens every single day in business.

    It’s just in the diaper making world, ridden with hysterical women that it turns into a massive drama.

    NC isn’t all over the boards, she didn’t even name GM on her website. Just posted evidence like she’s always done in past cases to prove “due diligence”. Nobody has ever made such a monumental freaking fuss before because it has never concerned such a popular brand before.

    Now, I’m all for rubbernecking at trainwrecks online, I think the whole thing is utterly fascinating and think the whole Kathleen barfing all over the place has made it prime time TV worthy. But I did just want to point out that much of what is going on here is pretty normal in business land.

  105. MatildasMum says:

    “bugabear Says: July 6, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    When was the no wait SB? I got in on a picked up WB when other people chose refunds instead of waiting it out for their boxes when goodmama was having supply problems, but I still had to wait 6 weeks and got mine after everyone else’s orders were filled.”

    She auctioned them off on HC.

  106. bugabear says:

    ah, okay. i thought that was after the whole supply debacle. otherwise i don’t see a problem with paying a premium price to get diapers faster?

  107. just me says:

    Honestly Nicki if you ordered a switchbox Id get my money back. Thats bullshit the no wait boxes. Fuck her greedy ass. I can’t even believe a few short months ago I was actually one of her minions. Thank god I outgrew that quickly. Now if only the rest of DS would follow suit maybe we could get back to being a community about diapers instead of drama.

  108. Aly says:

    fwiw,suzanne offered the no wait switchboxes because she had extra diapers,already made.

  109. just me says:

    She should’ve offered them to the mamas who were waiting on their boxes who had already paid.

  110. sassy1 says:

    fwiw,suzanne offered the no wait switchboxes because she had extra diapers,already made./quote

    huh….niiice.

    So, again, what was her comment about FF’ing mamas? Anyone know?

  111. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    Time to bust out the pitchforks and torches huh? This sounds like GM bashing bandwagon. The new trendy “wagon” I guess? Why is nobody bashing Crankypants and Sustainablebabyish for doing auctions for their in demand items? Or Michelle of MuttaQin? Why is nobody on a witch hunt because mamas are still waiting for Mutts from 2 stockings ago while she puts up auctions and stocks her store? Crankypants has asked other WAHMs not to copy her design. Where’s the venom for her?

    Houston, we have some crazy bitches.

  112. kathleen says:

    Some of you scare me. There’s little civility here.

    In no particular order.
    1. I don’t have a job to lose. I LOL at the person who said I couldn’t be who I said I was. I will give her one part of her argument. You’re right, people on my level don’t typically hang out in places like this and I’m starting to understand why. I’m not used to being treated like this. Not that I was expecting anyone to bow and scrape since you don’t know me but I did expect basic civility. Apparently around here, if someone does happen to drop in, they’re insulted, called a liar or the implication is made that they’re “in it” for some nebulous reason that would only motivate *you*. Why would you assume they even care about the same things you do? And then generally run them out of the room. Yeah, that’s the way to get straight information. Run off the very people who are in a position to know. No thanks. I prefer a sharp stick in the eye. I won’t be back, I don’t need the grief. No good deed goes unpunished.

    2. Suzanne made her pattern, developed it over a period of at least two years. I put it through the “wringer” and said it looked good to go. I made some production suggestions and off she went. On this side of “the aisle”; it doesn’t matter *who* made the pattern as long as the integrity is there. Boy, you guys split micro fibers! Whether she made it or not (she did) or she bought it (paid for services); it’s still *her* work. In her case, I just checked it. I was explaining how the process worked generally, not Suzanne specifically. When I said I’d made them 21 years ago I made them for my kid and never thought another thing of it. I was the rare lunatic in those days. Nobody used cloth diapers then. Nobody nursed or had home births. I was the weirdo because I did. There wasn’t a MARKET for cloth diapers 21 years ago so I don’t understand how some of you grab stray bizarre references to score whatever oblique points you think you’re making. Some of you scare me. Really.

    3. I don’t deny having a relationship with Suzanne along with over 800 other designers. She did donate money for a marathon I was running in support of a cure for Leukemia. She was one of many who donated for my run. She gave $500 for cancer research…and this makes her a bad person? How? I really have to wonder about people who see evil in this. It takes a really twisted mind to see this as bad. People tend to interpret things as they themselves are. That’s why I said some of you scare me. Even more so when I realize many of you are mothers…instilling all of this hatefulness and suspicion in another generation? No wonder charities are hurting; who wants to donate to charity on the chance someone will find out and assign all kinds of nefarious intentions to it? Like I said, you all scare me.

    4. Others of you make a very poor case for yourselves when you don’t read carefully. Just one example, whoever said there’s a photo of me with Suzanne has some reading comprehension problems. I’ve never met Suzanne in real life. As if having met her would be a crime anyway. Or proof of yet some other heinous nefarious act, the purpose of which I cannot discern but its somehow twisted as evil or evidence of some sort of plot. I’m sorry. I don’t see the evil in meeting with colleagues and clients. I do see a mob that increasingly CHOOSES to not listen (or read) to reason.

    I won’t be back. I get why people who have anything going for themselves won’t come anywhere near you. This is no way to attract intelligent debate. Other than that, you all frighten me. People tend to ascribe to situations and motivations, what they themselves are or do. No offense, I prefer to avoid people like this. Thanks for the lesson and have a nice life.

  113. FatCat says:

    Extra diapers would have been extra only AFTER everyone that is still waiting for their box diapers had their orders filled. Don’t ya think?

  114. b says:

    She didn’t say anything about ff moms. Someone made up something she supposedly said and spread it around in an effort to create drama.

  115. Madre says:

    Kathleen, you are possible the most ignorant “businesswoman” I’ve met. Point blank. Coming here bickering & running around saying different things isn’t helping. You’ve already fucked up Suzanne’s business enough where she has had to make a statement clearing up your verbal vomiting you keep doing. Just go away, any moron can see you continue to do more damage than good by coming here posting. Furthermore, this is a *drama* blog. If you wanted civility, you should make a *civility* blog.

  116. sbolen says:

    I don’t get the drama. I understand completely what Kathleen does and don’t understand why you guys are freaking out so much. Suzanne made the diaper, and Kathleen took Suzanne’s design and made the pattern for mass production. Its pretty common. My friend is a “WAHM” that makes bibs, burp cloths, etc. She doesn’t make them herself…she runs the business that makes them. She’s still a “WAHM”
    End of Story….next.

  117. riot says:

    Kathleen needs some Imodium for her finger diarrhea.

  118. NoDramaHere says:

    Lots of great information on this website ladies (nayy) ~ http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/trademarks.html

    Specifically this page~
    http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/CopyrightLaw/Patterns.shtml

  119. M-unit says:

    Thanks for giving me something to read at work.

  120. delta says:

    What was that Kathleen? We scare you? I wasn’t sure… I think it was that we scare you? that was your point? being scared? huh?

    I’m a pretty kick ass mom if I do say so myself. And I’m not hateful at all, no no no…. I don’t hate Suzanne. I just think she’s a bitch.

  121. just me says:

    “Time to bust out the pitchforks and torches huh? This sounds like GM bashing bandwagon. The new trendy “wagon” I guess? Why is nobody bashing Crankypants and Sustainablebabyish for doing auctions for their in demand items? Or Michelle of MuttaQin? Why is nobody on a witch hunt because mamas are still waiting for Mutts from 2 stockings ago while she puts up auctions and stocks her store? Crankypants has asked other WAHMs not to copy her design. Where’s the venom for her?

    Houston, we have some crazy bitches.”
    This isnt a blog post about mutts or anything else. Its about gms. You want a post in the drama blog about them start a thread on DS, you fucking idiot.:)

  122. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    I think you’re missing the point of banana’s post, but that’s not surprising since you seem to have the mentality of a 12 year old. Why is there a witch hunt after Suzanne when other WAHMs do similar “questionable” business practices? Why is Suzanne being called a “bitch” and “vile” when others do the same things? This mob mentality is batshit crazy.

  123. Nicki says:

    Wow. There are pretensious asses and then there’s Kathleen. Eeps.

    And, just me, I think you are right. They work great for my baby, but maybe it’s just not worth it…*le sigh*.

  124. ToKathleen says:

    She only needs to fall under California manufacturing laws if she’s having people working in her home, that she supervises during a schedule she has provided for them. If I were her, I’d sue you for libel for telling people I’m running a sweat shop. Just a thought.

  125. dazed says:

    122~ People don’t bash Michelle of Muttaquin because she’s NICE. If you’d read some of the things that Suzanne has emailed to other WAHM’s, you’d be bashing her as well. Then again, someone once told me that Suzanne could shit in a bucket and her minions would be falling all over themselves to bid on it, so who knows…

    123~ no, the “mob mentality” that makes people routinely pay over $100 for a freaking mass-produced diaper is what’s “batshit crazy”

  126. riot says:

    Anyone have a website with these e-mails or maybe a copy of them?

    I’m curious..

  127. DSDM2 says:

    Regarding the FF comments she made, they weren’t about FF moms IMO… I think we blogged on it… off to look.

    She is pro BFing, and that isn’t anti FF moms to me…

    Having said that, I have owned 4 GMS. Hated them all. Glad I sold them when profits were up.

  128. Amy says:

    Has everyone missed post #66? This poster owns diapers from BOTH patterns and says they are not the same.

    This drama all started because GM is accused of copying a pattern. I’ve looked at the pictures on NC’s website. I don’t see it. The pictures are not well suited for comparison. Side views don’t show much. For example, if you really wanted to show that the soakers are similar, wouldn’t you make sure your pattern was FLAT and not folded down the whole length? And, I honestly do not understand how anyone can compare a pattern to a finished diaper with elastic, etc. So, I think the best available information about their similarity is annecdotal from someone who owns both.

    As for the ongoing drama, I think Kathleen should be given a break. She wasn’t writing a legal document when she came to comment and defend someone she does business with. Her biggest problem with her posting is her lack of knowledge about how this board works. She had no way to know how minutely some would pull apart her words and put whatever spin they want on those words. She had no idea that she was walking into a lioness’ den.

    It’s no secret that GM has employees and that she isn’t simply a single WAHM sewing diapers in her own home. I think that instead of getting upset about this, we as moms should be cheering her success. I for one thinks it’s fabulous to see a fellow WAHM “make it.” If she can make it work, perhaps we can all help support our families while staying home with our children. Not only is she presumably helping to support her family, but she is employing Americans and paying them a wage to support their families. If you don’t like the diapers or her business practices or her prices, then don’t buy them. I was offended by Starbucks’ actions during on 9/11 and I no longer buy their coffee. I don’t agree with Walmart’s business practices, so I don’t shop there. But, I don’t disparage their executive board or use profanity while making personal attacks on the founders. Name calling comes across as petty jealousy. While you may get big laughs and applause here for name calling, it is unlikely to win supporters in the world outside diaper drama.

    The fact that GM designed a pattern and had a professional tweak it and make it ready for production is no scandal. Seems like a smart business practice to me. Just because she’s a WAHM doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t make a profit nor does it mean that she has to be a hobbyest rather than a competent businessperson. Again, if the prices people are willing to pay for her diapers offend you, then don’t look. Sure they are just a diaper with a very practical function, but there are people out there to whom paying hundreds of dollars for something they want is not a hardship.

  129. Mary says:

    1. The FF thing basically went down like this:

    WAHM not Suzanne: “FF is bad, wah wah wah.

    GM hater: “Suzanne breastfeeds! All breastfeeders hate FFers! She must have said nasty things about FFers! Wah wah wah!”

    2. A pattern maker is someone who takes a WAHM’s pattern and tweaks it to fit industry specifications. Not someone who “makes up” a pattern for a WAHM. They take someone’s pattern, put it onto a special kind of paperboard, suggest changes to streamline the production process, and hand it back to the WAHM. I don’t know who this woman is, but anyone getting her panties in a twist about Suzanne not “making” her own pattern doesn’t understand the term.

    3. I have PP pattern and I have a GM (and don’t like it much FWIW). I have laid them on top of each other. They are nothing alike. The shapes are completely different.

    FWIW, a front snapping PWP fits EXACTLY over the PP pattern. It’s practically an identical match. I don’t think PWP ripped off anyone either. It’s just the nature of designing diapers. They look similar.

    Whoever said that this is a mob mentality is right. I don’t give a rat’s ass about goodmamas or the whole GM movement but this is ridiculous.

  130. What a wanker says:

    From Kathleen: Post #17
    “Not only has she impuned Goodmama, she’s essentially also accusing me of intellectual dishonesty………I’ve never heard of this company. Much less seen their pattern. I’ve been making these since 1987 (21 years ago) when my son was born. Maybe NC copied me? ”

    A. How could she be accusing YOU of intellectual dishonesty if you are not the creator of the pattern?

    B. How could NC have copied YOU if you are not the creator of the pattern?

    And from Post #112
    ” In her case, I just checked it. I was explaining how the process worked generally, not Suzanne specifically”

    Backpedal much?????
    You need to realize-you can’t delete your comments here, so you might want to try just being honest if you are going to post. Much easier that way.

  131. subpariq says:

    Kathleen, your post is right up there with one of the most pretentious things I have ever read.
    1. People on your level? What level might that be Kathleen? Just curious, because your behavior has been far from classy or indicative of any high level of social standing or training.
    2. While what you say may be true. Your writing wasn’t clear. Suzanne has a very poor reputation with many people, so it is not a leap to assume, based on what you wrote, that she did not design her diaper. Her poor reputation is built on poor customer service, questionable handling of finances while product remains outstanding,
    3. What does philanthropy have to do with the discussion at hand? You are obviously trying to plug your charitable giving and in the most shameless self-promoting manner.
    4. Perhaps you should take a look at your own motivations at coming to this blog and posting. Of course people are going to question whether you are who you say you are. What you have done here (coming to a blog with a super elitist and offensive attitude to defend a client) is very poor business practice. Whether you came on your own volition or whether Suzanne sent you (I suspect the latter to be true), it is foolish. One would assume if this is a legal matter, you as Suzanne’s esteemed pattern maker, would be a witness. As Suzanne’s agent, you are also representing her poorly through your use of language clearly designed to make others feel inferior (although the execution failed). I’d love to play arm chair psychologist and point out what your attempts to elevate yourself by demeaning others says about you. But I think it is pretty apparent to others and it would be lost on you. I’m not surprised that you and Suzanne have a business relationship. You are the company you keep! And I am sure Suzanne thanks you for your efforts to further her interests.

    As far as the formula feeding bashing. It was of moms. It was on another board. Someone figured out who it was, called her on it, and then she went and deleted everything. I saw it with my own eyes. I don’t remember where it was as I was linked to it. If I cared more, I would go find the deleted posts. I know probreastfeeding doesn’t mean anitff. I’m probreastfeeding. Her comments were nasty. If they weren’t, she probably wouldn’t have deleted them.

  132. sassy1 says:

    I have to say that the FF’ing comments seem fine to me. I don’t see any problem with sayoing formula isn’t the best thing for a by or that the companies don’t do enough to make it better, and I’m a mom who has to supplement FF’ing because of BF’ing I have. I tend to be sensative to comments, and I didn’t see anything that was out of line, nor anything quoted that would say she is hating on FF’ing mamas.

  133. subpariq says:

    I am not talking about what she said on ds. I am talking about what was said on another board. I have never used a drop of formula in my life and I was offended by the comments. They were not of the bfing is best nature. They were of the you’re a sucky mom if you ff nature. I would go look for the posts but they are deleted by suzanne. What does that tell you?

  134. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    I’ve never read any hard proof of Suzanne being bitchy to other WAHMs. Just rumors and hearsay. No one’s ever presented evidence of this. And that’s the whole reason that people hate her? Because she *may* have written a bad e-mail to a WAHM? Nice.

  135. subpariq says:

    No bananas. Suzanne posted, on ds, accusations of michelle of muttaqin. They are still there, go read them.
    I don’t hate suzanne. I just think she is a giant bitch based on things that I have read with my own two eyes and I think her business practices are shady and that her customer service sucks.

  136. mamadrama says:

    “I’ve never read any hard proof of Suzanne being bitchy to other WAHMs. Just rumors and hearsay.”

    Ditto.

    I read the so called FF bashing stuff on that other board. It wasn’t anti FF and it wasn’t nasty. And more to the point, it wasn’t even Suzanne who said it. The chick who “called her on it” falsely said it was Suzanne and then everything got deleted for TOS.

    The haters are out in full force. Spreading false rumors just for drama lulz. I honestly think they want to take a big WAHM down so they can sharpen their knives and relieve their SAHM boredom, and Suzanne was the easiest target because the diapers are popular and expensive. Niiiiiice.

  137. Nicki says:

    Where is the Suzanne/Muttaqin stuff on DS? Link anyone.

  138. What a wanker says:

    “Where is the Suzanne/Muttaqin stuff on DS? Link anyone.”

    Yeah that.

    I looked and couldn’t find it, but DS would only pull up Suzanne’s last 400 posts, so it could have been from before that.

  139. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    Couldn’t find it either. *Shrug* I’d enjoy a C&P too. I’d also enjoy hearing about these so-called “shady” business practices.

    Honestly I’ve never seen such bitter hate for a WAHM before and that includes WAHMs that were straight up scammers. Next they’re going to be saying that Suzanne kicks puppies and knocks over wheelchairs.

  140. bugabear says:

    I don’t have a link but if it is the thread I think everyone is talking about, I believe Suzanne said something along the lines of the babyshapes mutts looking similar to a goodmama. later in the same thread, she apologized.

  141. Nicki says:

    Honestly, I don’t know the woman. Guess I have to do my own investigation on this one. The only thing she ever did to irk me was a ff/bf post on DS, but she wasn’t militant about it. IDK. That storm cloud just follows her around doesn’t it?

  142. Amy says:

    Watch out Banana. Give it time and your comment will one day be mis-attributed to Suzanne in some other drama-filled thread. No one will be able to find the quote, but there will be plenty of people ready to step up to the plate to say that they read in a post where Suzanne once claimed to have knocked over a wheelchair while aiming to kick a blind three legged puppy. They’ll say it happened on “another board” and that Suzanne deleted the post.

    I have never seen anyone spreading rumors about Suzanne post an actual link to the posts they claim she has made. Somehow they all just happen to be on the right board at the right moment while Suzanne posts something mean. They alone have the chance to read it before Suzanne deletes the post.

  143. the booger says:

    ok so I have a question….why does michelle of muttiqin own GM’s?

    I saw on DS she has sold some gm’s she had, and also traded gm’s for gm’s? Isn’t that odd, especially for someone that was accused of taking suzanne’s pattern?

    I dunno ALL of it is just odd….Now I’m not sure how much I’m for gm’s anymore.

  144. maree9304 says:

    I remember that, bugabear. I don’t even own a goodmama or a mutt and I usually stay out of the gm drama, but I remember actually reading that thread.
    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325480&page=2&highlight=wyckhurst+familiar

    then read post 133. Apparently, that wasn’t the first time and others agreed with Justine, also recalling the other thread. So it’s not like she just made that up.

  145. What a wanker says:

    Okay, here is the post where she states that BS look like hers

    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2661754&postcount=45

    And here she apologizes, which to me makes it even MORE obvious that she was insinuating that BS look like GM

    http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2668182&postcount=141

    So, looks like the posters weren’t lying

    I would LOVE to see the other thread where Suzanne was being nasty to MIchelle.

  146. riot says:

    What a nasty thing to say!

  147. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    Gee wow, that’s pretty damning. Let’s burn her at the stake right now!

    I must have missed the “nasty”ness about it. *scratches head*

  148. subpariq says:

    If her comments on the other board (can’t remember which one) were not nasty, I wonder why she felt the need to delete them. I’m sure someone could find the posts that say they were deleted if they cared enough. I don’t because I read what I read and then a couple of days later they were gone with an indication that they’d been deleted.
    mamadrama-Why would anyone want to “take a wahm down”? If a wahm is honest and hardworking, mad props to her. ITake Michelle from muttaqin. Why don’t people seem to begrudge her success? Her diapers are every bit as popular and even nicer than gms. Could it be because Michelle is actually a nice person?
    And by the way, your little comment about sahms being bored is pretty fucking pathetic. I know that I am anything but bored doing this job and feel great about doing one of the most rewarding jobs.

  149. riot says:

    wyckhurst: “The fit of the tester…it looks familiar somehow…but I can’t quite place it. :headscratch: ”

    I think that was nasty. Especially when it was posted in a thread where a mama was simply showing her new diapers.

    Why even say anything?

  150. just me says:

    Its not out and out nastiness. It APPEARS to be a more passive aggressive thing with Suzanne IMO.
    And I am not bashing Michelle at Muttaqin. I have to give the woman props for maintaining her business with only the help of her two hands and her dh. I was just saying if someone wanted to start drama about Mutts or SBish they need to either blog it on their own or start a thread about it.
    And after calming down a bit I realize my remarks were a bit harsh. I however must agree that the seeming greediness of Suzanne turns me off quite a bit.

  151. jsg724 says:

    “The other thing that gets to me is all the freaking auctions. She’s making such a huge profit on others work. Are her personal sewers getting a cut of that action?

    Her reign will come to an end…. she’s abusing the craze. People are starting to become bitter.” – FatCat

    I agree 100%. I have GMs. I like how the fit my DS. I resent Suzanne’s greed and the way she is running her company. She won’t get any more of my money and I suspect more and more people will stop buying from her as well. This latest round of “auction only” diapers was what put the nail in the coffin for me.

  152. bugabear says:

    nak…if wanting to make the most money that you can from a product that sells well is greedy, then uh, i would say most people that start up a business are greedy. isn’t that the whole point? to make money? to make a lot of money? and how often does a wahm actually make a lot of money? you’d think other women, other mamas, would be happy for her. sounds like some people are peeved that suzanne is cutting into their profit margin on spots!

  153. ladybug says:

    I thought her comment about the Mutts was tacky and unprofessional. I had already had a less than stellar experience in ordering an instock diaper from her website shortly before she said that, and that made me even less impressed with her. Other things she’s done along the way have made me know that I don’t want to support her. I’d rather support WAHMs who are nice and professional and always strive to keep their customers happy. Besides that, the diaper is over-hyped big time and not all it’s cracked up to be. Sure it’s cute and soft, but so are many others and some even have hidden snaps, lol!

  154. subpariq says:

    It is not a sound business practice to auction off your own merchandise to the highest bidder unless it is for a charity. Suzanne will make more money keeping just short of demand while upping her supply. I don’t begrudge her success. I just begrudge the manner in which she is coming by it.
    The thread posted above was not the first time she took a stab at Michelle. She did it about a year ago by implying that she may have copied another design. Michelle called her out that time. Suzanne apologized. Suzanne does a lot of apologizing and deleting for someone that is so lily white. Just sayin’.

  155. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    Really? What about Crankypants auctions? Or sustainablebabyish auctions? Or Mutt auctions? Are those all for charity?

  156. FatCat says:

    Mutts makes her own diapers. I love watching her auctions soar.

  157. subpariq says:

    gm is producing (or trying to produce) on a much larger scale. I’m not talking about ethics or greediness. I’m talking about sound business practice in terms of best for her business in the logn term. We aren’t talking about one of a kind diapers (in all cases). We are talking about her mass produced product being auctioned by her. As I said, she would be smartest to not quite meet the demand with her supply but increase the supply nonetheless. And she shouldn’t make a peep about others selling her product over retail. That does more for her business than she seems to know.
    But I digress, she is a tacky and vile woman. I don’t like to see people like that succeed. So I hope that she stays the course.

  158. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    But she’s auctioning her own merchandise. And it’s not for charity.

    And FTR, when I have ordered GMs in the past I have recieved them in 5 days, but I am still waiting for Mutts from 2 stockings ago. And no answers to my e-mails. I also requested to be on the custom list and never heard anything. :-/ I don’t really know why everyone is gaga over Mutt’s customer service, really.

  159. FatCat says:

    SHE made them, though.

    I think auctions should be for things that you make yourself. Not for things you are having other people make. Just my opinion.

  160. ladybug says:

    Well, it’s great that you got good customer service from Suzanne, but it sounds like there have been many people who have not. I was one of them. Once 2 1/2wks had passed and I still had not even received a shipping notice for my INSTOCK diaper, I emailed Suzanne. No answer for a few days and then all of a sudden a short, to the point email saying it shipped. No apology, no thanks for your business. Just, It shipped. I finally got it about a week later. That is unacceptable imo for an instock item and poor communication.

  161. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    Oh, is that some unwritten rule in the diaper world? I’ll try to remember that. Well, that’s definitely a reason to lynch Suzanne, then! Bring on the rope!

  162. bugabear says:

    “I think auctions should be for things that you make yourself. Not for things you are having other people make. Just my opinion.”

    eBay & Spots must really bug the crap out of you then, what with all those people auctioning off things they didn’t make themselves.

  163. The Bored Bitch says:

    Im just here for the snacks at this point.

    #104-the barfing visual. Thank you. Totally made me laugh.

    Subpariq- spot on as always.

  164. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    “Well, it’s great that you got good customer service from Suzanne, but it sounds like there have been many people who have not. I was one of them. Once 2 1/2wks had passed and I still had not even received a shipping notice for my INSTOCK diaper, I emailed Suzanne. No answer for a few days and then all of a sudden a short, to the point email saying it shipped. No apology, no thanks for your business. Just, It shipped. I finally got it about a week later. That is unacceptable imo for an instock item and poor communication.”

    You’re the first person I’ve heard say that about GM. However there’s a GIANT thread (or was) on DS about all the people waiting for their dipes from Mutt. Honestly I love Mutts, but I don’t think I’ll order them directly from the website again. I’ll buy them from Spots or FSOT thankyouverymuch. Talk about unacceptable and poor communication.

  165. FatCat says:

    Bugabear, no. Ebay is different. That’s what ebay is meant for. I don’t believe that spots should be used for auctions. But that’s besides the point… GM isn’t using spots to auction her diapers. She’s using a standard hyena cart. (which you aren’t supposed to sell manufactured goods on anyway… where’s the loophole?)

  166. MatildasMum says:

    Amy Kett is no saint either. That said, at least her auctions are for one of a kind items – not a boring switchamawhatchit nthat dozens of other mamas have.

  167. just me says:

    No one is saying Mutt CS is better then gm cs. I completely agree that Michelle’s CS needs a bit of tweaking. However Michelle is one woman and one woman alone. She doesn’t have people sewing her stuff up for her like Suzanne does. So I think people cut her a bit more slack because they know she does it all on her own.

  168. FatCat says:

    M’smum… I agree with that, about the crankys at least being OOAK. And those auctions are for customs… made by her. from what I understand. Her peruvian produced crankies are all being sold retail.

    If one popular hyena buys one, the lemmings will follow.

  169. The Bored Bitch says:

    You know, with the whole GM clusterfuck, Im wondering who you all feel has good customer service? Which WAHMs are you liking lately?

  170. bugabear says:

    FatCat — Suzanne (and other popular WAHMs) has been told by HC admin that she *isn’t allowed* to do BIN stockings on HC because it crashes the whole dang thing. Of course HC isn’t going to stop her from doing auctions or lotteries on there because the person that owns HC wants to (shock, horror, gasp!) make money! And having goodmama on HC makes money!! Oh crap, there’s that “greediness” again.

  171. MatildasMum says:

    Lindsay at Star Baby Designs. I had a small elastic problem on one diaper. She sent me PP to send back BOTH diapers we have of hers so she can go ahead and replace the elastic on that one, too. Even though the elastic on the one is fine, she is replacing it preemptively. Nice.

  172. ladybug says:

    Yeah, I don’t see what Mutt’s cs has to do with GM’s cs. I personally don’t currently own either diaper, nor do I have a desire to. I’d much rather buy instock items from companies who consistently ship quickly. FTR, I’ve read of several others who have had less than great cs(SLOW shipping and poor communication) with Suzanne.

  173. Amy says:

    To those of you cursing and name calling – It is very difficult to find your points in the personal attacks filling your posts. I would consider enrolling in an entry level debate or communications course at your local community college. You will learn in by the end of the first day that cursing, name calling and personally attacking your opponant is unlikely to win you any supporters. You may get lots of high fives and laughs here, but this is artificial praise and will not assist you in carrying your point to anyone except those who staunchly supported you before your attack. You might even lose some supporters who are turned off by the language and meanspiritedness.

    Probably least sound business practice that GM has is selling nearly all of her diapers for a retail price that is significantly below the used resale value of the diaper. When a third hand diaper sells for hundreds of dollars and GM only sold it for $30ish the end user is making the profit and that simply is not an effective business model.

    If you could go and buy a BMW and then turn around and sell it for 2x or 5x or even 10x what you paid for it then BMW would raise their prices. It is smart business practice to charge the highest price that does not significantly impact your sales to your targeted market. If you don’t like or cannot afford a BMW, you buy Kia or Chevy or a prefold or a value priced fitted. There’s no reason to get bent out of shape that there are BMWs available for people who can afford or value high end cars enough to pay those prices.

    When I go car shopping, if I cannot affort it, I don’t go to the BMW or Jag dealer. I go to the dealership that has what I believe to be the best car for the price that I can afford. If I were looking for a cloth diaper, I would be looking for the best cloth diaper I could afford, whether that is a GM or a prefold or something completely different. I wouldn’t begrudge BMW for making a car that is out of my price range. Nor do I begrudge a MOM who has made a highly sought after product.

    As far as wondering if her employees benefit from her auctions, I think it’s irrelavant. She is likely paying them a wage based on their time or the amount of product they produce. She is the one taking the chance on whether her product sells. Her employees get paid whether her diapers sell or not. Just like nearly every other for profit business run in the U.S.

    I do not understand why we are so incredibly hard on WAHMs who sell their products as a business rather than as a hobby. I realize that DS has spawned literally hundreds of hobbyest seamstresses and knitters who sell their wares for less than slave wages all in the name of spreading CD to the world. It has never made sense to me. If you want to help the world by giving away your time and talent, then pick a charitable organization and make diapers for them. You get the satisfaction of knowing your products are going to people who really need them and you likely make more on your charitable deduction than you would selling them for less than they cost to greedy hyenas.

  174. haha says:

    #171 Karen of HC doesn’t make anything from auctions…at least last time I stocked my store. It’s just a flat rate each month that you get charged.

  175. The Bored Bitch says:

    #174- I do find the irony of your first paragraph mind boggling.

    You insult your readers intelligence but expect them to listen to what follows?

    LOL pot meet kettle.

  176. bugabear says:

    haha – I didn’t say Karen made money off of the auctions. someone said that Suzanne shouldn’t be selling her stuff on HC because it was manufactured. My point was that HC still gets money from goodmama, and clearly they don’t care if she auctions or lotto’s her manufactured goods…they just want to get paid each month. And I know GM and WCW, and maybe SBish have been asked not to do BIN sales anymore on HC. So that leave s

  177. ladybug says:

    Are GMs still selling for hundreds? From what I’ve seen lately they are selling for close to retail or less, and they aren’t moving as quickly as they had been.

  178. sassy1 says:

    Amy (#174)

    ITA with everything you said.

    I think it’s obvious at this point that Suzanne isn’t perfect, but I’d also like to mention that (obviously) no one is. Not one WAHM doesn’t screw up sometimes. Not one single company doesn’t screw up…sometimes. People say things, even hurtful things sometimes. My thing is,…has she apologized for the things she has said and done? Or has she made excuses for what she said and justified it? The former is what “I” have seen.

    I too was slightly disgruntled over the WB/SB hold up this spring. ( as anyone should have been)….but I have to admit, that as much as I understand the view that some of you hold, I really think we all need to take a step back and re think some of the things being said here.

    Suzanne is a person, and like it or not, she has a fabulous (to some people) product. IMO, she is no longer a WAHM. She lost that status long ago with her team of seamstresses, which is why she should be held to a higher standard, BUT….you also need to take into account that alot of the things that have been said while they are upsetting, they are in the past. Michelle of Mutts I am sure doesn’t need anyone to fight her battles for her!! She’s a big girl, and if what Suzanne said to her bothers her, then thats HER buisness, between her and Suzanne. If it bothers anyone of us personally, then I think we need to keep that in mind and pass on her wares, or maybe even personally send her a kind email sharing your feelings. NO conflict ever got resolved by attacking someones cahracter regardless of what they have done. It’s not productive, and simply breeds contempt.

  179. subpariq says:

    Amy-in case you didn’t notice, this is a FUCKING blog not a formal debate. Because you obviously don’t know, I don’t give a FUCKING SHIT whether I am winning supporters. I don’t care who is high FUCKING fiving me, who is tittering in the corner, or who is offended by my language. I know how to curtail my language if and when I deam appropriate. As far as mean spiritedness, I have to laugh based on your first paragraph. I just love it when people try to take the superior tone and wind up making themselves sound small.
    I think all wahms should pay themselves a livable wage. I don’t begrudge any wahm her success ever. But when operating a business, you can’t expect to run it as a hobby and have happy customers. I would remind you all of the switchbox debacle of the winter of 2008-no communication and no switchbox while she sat on thousands of dollars. Not cool.
    I would agree with your assessment of gms if these diapers were not already priced at near max for the general population. Sure there are a few people that could pay a hundred dollars a diaper each. But then they would tire of the diapers and move on to the next trend. And the diaper population at large would have moved onto another kind of diaper. It is a basic business and marketing principle to always keep your target market in sight and to sell to that market. Greed will get a business in trouble every time.
    One last thing because I don’t feel like going back and putting it in a better spot. I think wahms should not expect special treatment because they are wahms. Run your business like a business and be accountable.

  180. Amy says:

    Actually, because my comments were written and not spoken, I was not looking for listeners.

    I didn’t insult anyone’s intelligence. Poor communications skills are not limited to those of less than average intellegence. I did not write that any of those posters were unintelligent. I made no allusion to their character. I simply pointed out a weakness in their argument/debate style. This weakness isn’t simply my personal opinion. It is a generally accepted rule of debate and public speaking. I offered a constructive means of improving that style in order for them to present a more coherent and persuasive argument.

  181. What a wanker says:

    “Actually, because my comments were written and not spoken, I was not looking for listeners.”

    Well, in the same vein, since the people on this blog are writing comment in a blog-they are not “public speaking”

    Yeah your comment is not meant to put you above others. :insert rolleyessmilie:

  182. The Bored Bitch says:

    LOL

    OMG. Fabulous! Keep talking.

    LOL

  183. MatildasMum says:

    Another great debate tactic? Diversion. Good one, Amy!

  184. subpariq says:

    Amy, are you in a competition with Kathleen to see who can be more pretentious? If so, it is close and I am not sure who the FUCK is winning.

    And while you are being a nitpicking bitch. Since comments on a blog have nothing to do with public speaking. And since this is a blog about FUCKING drama on a diaper site, this is not a formal debate. Any FUCKING moron knows that she should change the voice and tone of her writing to suit her audience and the situation. Maybe your head is stuck too far up your prissy ass to notice, but this isn’t Emily Post’s School of good manners. This is a blog. A source of entertainment. I spend enough time censoring myself IRL, I’m not going to do it here for the sake of your virgin ears. Get over yourself sweetheart.

  185. The Bored Bitch says:

    Im so glad I tuned back in.

    Its so much fun to tune back in for the giggles at the expense of the self righteous hand slappers.

    Woot!

  186. Angie says:

    Thanks for that Amy. My debate style will forever be improved.

  187. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    Sadly Amy, these ladies aren’t interested in an intelligent debate. It’s much more fun to sit around and spread gossip, rumors and name-call like a bunch of 9th graders. Complete with the language to go along with it. I remember high school. Good times. Minus the good. Ahh times. I have no desire to re-live it.

    But I loved your post. :-)

  188. The Bored Bitch says:

    Ah, what hand slap is complete without the high school reference?

  189. haha says:

    Amy, are you in a competition with Kathleen to see who can be more pretentious?

    LMAO! (that’s laughing my ass off for those readers who think internet speak is lazy!)

  190. riot says:

    I think BANANAS, Amy & Kathleen need to all ride off into the sunset..

  191. The Bored Bitch says:

    I would settle for them realizing this is a drama blog.

    Drama (or Dram-uh for the Canucks)

  192. subpariq says:

    banana. You’re right, I’m not interested in an intelligent debate. If I were, I wouldn’t come here, of all places, to have it. And I sure as shit wouldn’t pick you as an opponent if I were interested in anything intellectually titillating.
    I love your high school references. That is so not high school to do. Sounds like you had a great high school experience. I’m sure it didn’t have anything to do with your know-it-all attitude and winning personality.

  193. DSDM2 says:

    I find Bananas flip flopping opinions interesting. She was posting under different names until DSDM changed them all to match… seems like she was trying to stir the shit and stay on Suzanne’s good side while kind of bashing her at the same time.

  194. The Bored Bitch says:

    I gotz teh dumb.

    What was her other UN?

  195. just me says:

    Ah geez what the hell did I miss. To me as a consumer its not about GM making money anymore. She could just as easily raise the price to 45 shipped and make a good profit. Its the fact that she has gone from auctioning off new prints one at a time to having 3 auctions running for the same damn diaper and the whole no wait switchbox debaucle.
    Tell me how exactly is it good CS to auction off a no wait switchbox to whoever has the fattest pocket book all the while people are 2-3 weeks into their weight for their boxes. Thats what disgusts me the most. Thats the shadiest shit EVER!

  196. just me says:

    And seriously people its a fucking diaper. This “collector” bullshit has me seriously scratching my head.

  197. DSDM2 says:

    We changed them all to match.

    Look at post #123 :) She was under a different UN and talks about herself under the bananas name, DSDM and I decided to let all her names match.

  198. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    That was actually my sister posting. I left this site up when I went to bed and she decided to chime in for whatever reason. Super embarassing. She’s actually a different person than me but thanks.

  199. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    And what does “changed them ALL” mean??? She posted ONE time. ONE.

  200. becka says:

    you should tell your sister not to post on your computer without letting people know first, cause now it just seems like trying to cover your ass

  201. subpariq says:

    Oh the proverbial sister coming in, using your computer, posting on the same blog you are, in your defense.

  202. riot says:

    The famous “my sister” line! Ahahaha!

    Do people not realize this lie NEVER works?

  203. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    I’ll tell her she’s proverbial :) No really, I explained to her the whole kimbellishments thing (why would I make up an alter-ego KNOWING about the kimbellishment saga???) and how they check IPs and that she was going to make me look crazy. I think she just saw where someone called me a “fucking idiot” and went into defensive mode. I didn’t even know she posted because when she was done she put my name and e-mail back. When I woke up I thought “Oh how nice, someone is defending me”. I didn’t know it was sis until later when she came clean. Ugh.

  204. The Bored Bitch says:

    Im telling ya…a girl doesnt need soap operas with the drama blog around.

  205. riot says:

    You mean when you got busted..

    :F

  206. I don’t know how to make a new post to this blog, but I’m finding it HILARIOUS that Jonasmommy has surfaced in the Goodmama livejournal community under the name Noevlie. Here’s her journal: http://noevlie.livejournal.com/. She’s already raising eyebrows in the community with her 4 Switchboxes that are being delivered.

  207. ToAmy says:

    Note…name changed to show that it’s for Amy (it was Kathleen before).

    It always makes me laugh when people do this:

    From 174-I would consider enrolling in an entry level debate or communications course at your local community college. You will learn in by the end of the first day that cursing, name calling and personally attacking your opponant is unlikely to win you any supporters.

    Opponent was something I learned prior to reaching college. So was afford (affort), irrelevant (irrelavant), hobbyist (hobbyest) and intelligence (intellegence). I also learned to edit issues such as “Poor communications skills” and “You will learn in by the end of the first day.” Perhaps we should suggest you enroll in an elementary school English refresher course so that you can properly and nonchalantly insult people. You might also learn that one definition of “listen” is to pay attention and that’s without regard to the method of transmission. Just my two cents.

  208. LOL says:

    banana’s “sister” is like stinky couture’s “aunt”! LOL

  209. subpariq says:

    How does your “sister” know about the suzanne/gm saga?

  210. just me says:

    Oops mispelled wait :(
    And way to try to cover your ass banana.

  211. B-A-N-A-N-A-S says:

    She doesn’t, she was just basing her reply off of stuff I said. I’m not going to fall over myself to prove it to you people, srsly. If you want to bash me because she posted, that’s cool. You guys are pretty much experts at bashing people. If anyone wants to get back to talking about Goodmama, LMK.

  212. dazed says:

    #207 LOL! It so obviously her, what with the major spelling and grammar problems all over the place. Someone should enlighten that chick to the firefox auto spell check! I’m so glad she’s gone from DS. She got on my fucking nerves so bad.

  213. The Bored Bitch says:

    Oh! Oh! Is that a pissy YAGE?

  214. subpariq says:

    No, TBB. I think this is even better. She is clinging on in hopes that everyone believes that her “sister” posted so she can continue to be suzanne’s good soldier.

  215. The Bored Bitch says:

    By soldier, do you mean lemming?

  216. subpariq says:

    I was trying to change it up a bit so as not to be slapped by the debate on a blog 101 police. I can’t afford another infraction after the profanity I’ve used. Using the same word to describe the sheep is a ten point dedcution.

  217. DSDM2 says:

    http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:O2qSURbLKlIJ:community.livejournal.com/goodmamas/276849.html+noevlie&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ee3&gl=us&strip=1

    this was funny to me b/c of Jonahsmommy’s comment about how people will pay for over priced diapers, lol.

  218. The Bored Bitch says:

    I see what you did there.

    Im going with ‘sheeple’ next time.
    You may infract me if I forget, m’kay?

  219. just me says:

    Sheep, drones, lemmings.
    Anyone else got any funny terms to label the GM followers?

  220. M-unit says:

    just me Says: July 8, 2008 at 3:37 am
    Sheep, drones, lemmings.
    Anyone else got any funny terms to label the GM followers?

    Idiots?

  221. riot says:

    Does anyone wonder how many children are being ignored during these GM stockings?

    I mean.. when some of the stockings were going on.. ladies were post for 4,5,6 hours STRAIGHT..

    Am I the only one who notices this?

  222. The Bored Bitch says:

    Makes me wonder what you are doing, Riot, that you can keep track of people who are posting for 4-6 hours straight.

  223. riot says:

    Sitting on my butt doing NOTHING.

    [:

  224. What a wanker says:

    I gotta tell you, if I was the winner of the one diaper that went for over $300 on the gm HC yesterday, I would be SO PISSED that she put two more up today! She keeps putting more and more auctions up and still hasn’t stocked her store with anything in how long?

    Oh, she does occassional offer a Free Super Doubler lottery or a free diaper lottery, but considering all these auctions she can more than afford it.

    What a greedy bitch!

  225. The Bored Bitch says:

    LOL-least you are honest. LOL

  226. illrememberthisname says:

    I’d be pissed if I bought one of the T&T ..the first time she put them up they were sold as extremely limited addition..never to hit the store..then 3 more of each print came up?! tisk tisk

  227. MajKitab says:

    So… she’s making people think they are getting a OOAK (something “worth” bidding high on) and then auctioning off clones afterwards? Am I following correctly?

  228. illrememberthisname says:

    well she didn’t state OOAK but she did say they were very very few..waited a week..said they had a chance to make more..in the same prints..and auctioned those off..just leaves a yucky taste in my mouth for those atleast..that and it seems to be ALL AUCTIONS lately..to “fund” the business..I’m not feeling the love

  229. FatCat says:

    I want her OFF hyena cart and on her own site.

  230. MajKitab says:

    Oh Ok… Because that would have been as shady as auctioning off no wait SBs while people already paid and are waiting for theirs.

  231. illrememberthisname says:

    ya i understand fabric costs money etc etc..but she cleaned up on that last batch..and every other batch..get a visa business card and sell in your store..i’m sure there is enough of a profit margin there to still pay the bills and the women sewing them ..blah

  232. What a wanker says:

    Well, I just went to the HC calender and imagine my SHOCK and SURPRISE, that not only was gm NOT at the top of the “where are the hyena’s” list, but not on it at all.

    I did go there, because I just could not believe that there was no one in the store.

    There were 120 people in the store.

    Apparently there are others sick and tired of seeing GM always on top of that list. Looks like they finally did something about it. Unless I’m imagining things!

  233. haha says:

    Okay here’s my off topic question. When did HC change it to where you can’t see who the hid bidder of the auctions are??

  234. What a wanker says:

    Must have been today, because I could see yesterday who was the winner of that $300 diaper before and after it ended. It was the no.diaper.drama bidder.

  235. kay says:

    This is such a JOKE! It’s not even a deconstructed GM in the photo. A GM without the serging and elastic is much different than that stupid pattern! Honestly, some people have too much time on their hands.

  236. Suzzane asked HC to not show the highest bidder b/c people were bidding up no.diaper.drama just to see how high she’d go and trust me, the girl wouldn’t stop. She has a house in the Caymans and she boasts about how rich she is all the time on her friends list. Also in reponse to removing the name of the high bidders from GM auctions, HC asked her to take her name off the Where are the Hyenas list and she agreed asked saying she was upset because it would lessen her traffic
    greedy bitch

  237. bugabear says:

    NotAGMLemming — those are some pretty big accusations without links or quotes to substantiate. You are on no.diaper.drama’s friends list so you can talk about her behind her back? So you’re not a GM Lemming, but net stalk people who do like GMs and post about them on a drama blog? Sounds like an AWESOME use of your time! I guess that makes you a GM Lemming Lemming.

  238. just me says:

    Seriously if shes so rich and stuff, doesnt she have something better to do with her life then collect shit catchers?????????

  239. maree9304 says:

    bugabear, I know you’re all up Suzanne’s ass in defending her right now but seriously, don’t criticize someone and say “awesome use of your time!” when you’ve been posting right along everyone else on a drama blog.

    I’ll be the first to admit that I could be, should be, making better use of my time right now, like first uh sleeping and then cleaning or spending time with my husband, but I’m here. Is there nothing else you should be doing while you refresh, refresh, refresh this page waiting for another opportunity to come to Suzanne’s defense?

  240. just me says:

    A bit O/T but did anyone notice now that the search function has changed on HC??? I guess a LOT of the HC mamas were very pissed off about the Spots auctions so now you have the option to exclude everything gm related:D

  241. bugabear says:

    I agree this isn’t the best use of my time, but I think posting on this blog is a bit different than befriending a person on the internet solely to talk shit about them elsewhere. But since even being a creepy stalker seems to be okay, all in the name of defaming Suzanne or someone that likes her diapers, then I give up.

    I don’t think I’ve posted a lot more than anyone else in this conversation, but since I’m not on the side of the righteous Suzanne haters, apparently it’s refresh refresh refresh for me.

  242. subpariq says:

    Bugbear shut the fuck up already. Do you realize that you sound like a complete and total fucking idiot? It is so obvious that you would defend suzanne and gm no matter what was said or what the evidence was. I could have a sworn video statement from suzanne and you would find some pathetic way to try to discredit it. Your obvious adulation for suzanne is what is creepy and stalker like.
    And did anyone get the suzanne email yesterday? She isn’t honoring the warranty on diapers not purchased from her. I found that out the hard way when two snaps broke on my gm the first time I washed it. Suzanne was a total bitch about it. And this is after me waiting weeks for a reply. Not totally out of the ordinary to not honor a warranty when the ownership transfers but one would think that she would given her diapers are so pricey to begin with. The thing that pissed me off about her little update was that she said “Also, just a reminder, if you buy a diaper from someone besides us, it
    is not under warranty. Support goodmama – be under warranty! :-)” WTF? People couldn’t support goodmama if they tried. She has more business than she can handle. Asking for “support” when you are auctioning off your mass produced shitily made diapers off at $100 plus. Blah.

  243. bugabear says:

    FTR, my two previous posts did not defend or “adulate” Suzanne. I only called out #238 for cyber stalking someone (who, uh, didn’t happen to be Suzanne). Somehow that turned into me being “up in Suzanne’s ass defending her.” So, since apparently agreeing with the majority opinion is the only thing that won’t get a person cussed out around here, I’m out.

  244. maree9304 says:

    I’m so tired of people always throwing around the word/s “stalking””cyberstalking”.

    What is your definition of stalking?

  245. subpariq says:

    If stalking means that googling user names, I guess I am a stalker!

  246. maree9304 says:

    Or searching people on Myspace LOL

  247. RubberNecking says:

    I was surprised to see a few wahms defending her obvious copying, until I took note that they were all from Fluff Factory. Surprise. The wahms at FF are completely sucked up Suzannes ass and would defend her if she claimed the sky was red and purple striped.

    It’s a sad sad day in the wahm world when copying is okay.

    — anon to avoid the backlash from FF

  248. FatCat says:

    Did you see someone started a petition to keep big brands off hyena cart?

    No names mentioned….

  249. FatCat says:

    By no names mentioned, I mean goodmama wasn’t mentioned.

  250. RubberNecking says:

    I got that petition. I signed it too. Nothing wrong with mass producing an item…. HC just isn’t the place to sell it.

  251. anotherdiapermakingmama says:

    …………..what???? why do we want big brands off HC? its like kicking GAP out of the mall!!! Insanity. 120 shoppers in Goodmama… thats 120 more shoppers on HC than there would be if goodmama werent there, as an HC store owner I’m thinking that more traffic at HC is a GOOD thing.

    This hate on you all have for Suzanne is stupid. You’ve come down on her more harshly than any scammer you blog about. What is the deal? She’s a successful business owner – a mother, a daughter, a person… sure, you dont agree with her business ethics but IMO there are far worse out there. She still supports American labour – the popularity of her diapers are promoting CD use overall. I dont get why you feel the need to destroy her business, just dont buy the diapers – pretty simple.

    Next drama please, this one has grown old and tired very quickly.

    sincerely,
    someone who usually enjoys the drama… but is really tired of this witch hunt

  252. FatCat says:

    Do you have a link, I’d like to sign it too. I only heard about it.

  253. DSDM2 says:

    Please post it here! PLEASE.

  254. FatCat says:

    253, I disagree. My sales have dropped drastically since GM came to hyena cart. I haven’t spoken to one cart owner that hasn’t had a decline.

    The 120 shoppers in goodmama are sitting in goodmama all day refreshing hoping for another auction, not shopping hyena carts other stores.

  255. FatCat says:

    PS, when I want to go to Gap, (I love Gap) I’d rather go to a standalone store rather than trudging through a mall.

    Hyena cart isn’t like a mall…. it’s more like a community street fair. Gap doesn’t belong in a community street fair.

  256. anotherdiapermakingmama says:

    okay, so as HC store owners we petition to get rid of the big sellers and are successful – 120 disgruntled shoppers who leave HC?? or do we wait until 120 shoppers tire of the gm auctions and start looking around only to discover there are hundreds of truly amazing artisans to support?? i’d prefer the latter…

  257. FatCat says:

    Not all the big sellers. No one said that. There are more than a few “big sellers” on hyena cart. Those big sellers make their own product. I think what people are saying, is that hyena cart should be for the wahm artist who crafts her own products. OR a wahm that makes her own products but also sells accessories and things on a multi cart.

    A regular cart isn’t for manufactured goods anywhoo. Why Karen is ok with that for her and no one else is beyond me.

    When a company is that big, hyena cart isn’t the right place for them anymore.

  258. RubberNecking says:

    If I were doing a craft fair, and Gap came and set up shop at the craft fair, would we just figure that Gap being there would increase our sales?

    HC is for work at home moms who are hand making items to sell. GM is simply a small factory…. she doesn’t sew them and she didn’t create them. She only rakes in the money. Kudos to her for her success. That is a good thing, of course. But why does she have to be on HC? Since when are the server crashes and slow pageloads good for the rest of us wahms? We are making the items ourselves, and selling them on a small scale, using a cart that was obviously designed for small scale. You can’t fault us for wanting our stores and cart to work properly.

  259. JP says:

    Hmm, this is getting pretty catty. I’m going to go sew.
    Catty bored bitches are fun though…

  260. anotherdiapermakingmama says:

    If you are taking my analogy literally, it doesnt really serve my argument well… clearly, Gap and goodmama are two entirely different entities. Clearly the mall and Hyena Cart are two entirely different entities. A year ago there was an issue because there was no outside promotion for HC and so sales were down… now the issue is that some people think Goodmama are taking sales, yet that cart alone is bringing in hundreds… of course they are going to browse!! I dont think goodmama alone is responsible for a loss in sales, its not a cause and effect thing there are so many other factors to consider including the state of the American economy.

    The goodmama followers are joining the forums, and participating in the culture of HC they will soon be regular shoppers in the rest of the stores – I can assure you of that. Personally, I like having shoppers around who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on their diaper collections.

    The petition itself is petty, – sure, maybe GM should at a minimum switch to a standard cart but mass produced stuff CAN be sold on multi… so if the issue is that, then there is the solution. I dont see how having MORE customers at HC is a bad thing, the petition is plain stupid business practice by a few jelous WAHMS.

    I swore I wouldnt involve myself in this debate…. I just feel like its one side of the coin here and I wanted to present what many other WAHM’s are feeling. Couldnt help it…

  261. RubberNecking says:

    I don’t think a few jealous wahms discovered that goodmama copied poo pockets. I don’t think that a few jealous wahms came here to say that goodmama didn’t even create her pattern, nor is she sewing the diapers. I don’t think a few jealous wahms took money from many customers for a product that wasn’t there to deliver, then sold said product to others before the first customers had theirs. I don’t think there are many wahms who are jealous of Suzanne. Why would they be? Shady business practices? What’s there to be jealous of? Popularity? Even that comes at a price, and we all know this.

    I think people who are tired of wahms with shady business practices being excused for their actions and making the wahm world as a whole look bad.

    I also think that many wahms are tired of their friends getting mean emails from Suzanne, claiming that they copied her because they are making one size diapers, or making diapers with a hip snap. Just for shits and giggles, I went to MDC today and looked up feedback on hip snaps. They have been around since 2003… or longer. Look at feedback for Patchwork Pixie… that is the first that I found.

    Many of us find it ironic that our wahm friends have gotten mean emails from Suzanne, telling them that they are copying her product, just to find out that she copied another product.

    What a lovely person Queen Suzanne must be.

  262. dazed says:

    #264~ Couldn’t have said it better!

    I totally disagree with the idea that gm is bringing more business into HC that wouldn’t be there otherwise. All she’s doing is burning through everyone’s pp so they don’t have any left for the other vendors. I have no problem with someone like Michelle doing this since she’s still making the diapers herself, but all the auctions from gm without stocking in her regular store and the fact that she doesn’t even make them just burns me up. ENOUGH already! The greed is disgusting.

  263. haha says:

    Hyena Cart is nothing like a Mall. When you go to the mall you have to go past other businesses to get to another business. You window shop, maybe go in a shop or two, maybe find one or two things you want somewhere else before getting what you wanted at the gap.

    At HC you just go directly to her store. No window shopping no browsing other stores while you mosey over to the intended store. Thus missing a really awesome dress in the window across the hall from the intended store! KWIM?

    And then isn’t their a rule that HC is for HANDMADE items. Granted Suzanne’s dipes are handmade by LOTS of women and not OOAK type stuff. Personally I think that Suzanne stays on HC because it’s a whole 5 bucks a month to run her $$$ auctions…just more padding in her pockets. VS going to Etsy or something that makes you pay per listing. Not saying it’s not a good business move just not what HC was intended for. Maybe Suzanne should start a goodmama site where she can host her own auctions.

  264. Amy says:

    If sales have taken a dramatic turn for the worse and stayed there for as long as GM has been at HC, I would recommend sending out a survey to your past customers and soliciting feedback from them and other potential buyers to see why the diapers aren’t selling. I think the time to blame 1 popular brand for a downturn has long since passed. GM diapers are simply not available in a large enough quantity to take a significant number of sales away from the hundreds of other diaper makers on HC.

    To this day I do not understand why people rant about the price of GM or any other diaper. Before GM it was Fussybutt or Luxe or Elbee or Harleez or any number of other highly sought after diapers. There are people in this world who cloth diaper their children to whom spending $50 or $100 or even $500 on a single diaper isn’t a hardship. Just because you are not be one of those people or you have other priorities for your millions is no reason to assume that a $300 diaper is causing a reduction in other hyenacart spending. Sure it is possible that the winners of some of these high priced lotteries have spending problems, but more likely they simply have the means to pay for what they want. And, the comment that these people are only shopping GM simply isn’t true. I have sold to some of these auction winners and I am sure that I am not alone. If GM weren’t at HC, these shoppers may not have found me.

    HC was actually begun as a cart to help those sellers whose products were overselling on other carts. For a long time, HC only had a dozen or two vendors. Now there are over 1000 separate vendors. That doesn’t even count the numerous others who stock only within congos. HC has gone through a change from being a safe place for highly desired vendors to stock without overselling to being an inexpensive cart for anyone with $5 and a dream. While this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it has changed the nature of HC and the rapid influx of hundreds of diaper makers (nearly 300 are listed as diaper makers on the search list at HC) has created slower sales for all but the most sought after brands. Add in economic factors and the normal summer slowdown and there are many explanations for slower sales. Truly, the biggest HC factor to slower sales are those dozens of diaper makers who sell their products at less than their cost. I really wouldn’t worry about the random $100+ diaper taking away sales. If you are having problems with your sales, then I would be complaining about the $5 diapers and the $15 OBV diapers that are readily available.

    As for Suzanne staying because she can run all the auctions she wants for $5, I cannot imagine that that is her main concern. Those highly sought after vendors chose HC for their cart because they did not oversell as badly as they did with other carts. If I were Suzanne, I would honestly be searching for a more exclusive venue where I didn’t have to worry about taking a beating from bargain hunters. I’d be looking for Rodeo Drive rather than the local craft fair.

  265. FatCat says:

    “Before GM it was Fussybutt or Luxe or Elbee or Harleez or any number of other highly sought after diapers.”

    Yep, and they’re still there! And no one is complaining about them. I love seeing their auctions go sky high and love watching their carts sell out. Bring on more of those types of products!!

    What I don’t love is watching an auction go sky high when that person didn’t even make the product herself. I think ebay would be the place for that. But then she’d have to pay fees, wouldn’t she.

    I don’t know why she is on a standard cart for mass produced items, when everyone else needs a multi cart for mass produced items. Why does GM have different rules?

    I think she is taking advantage of the frenzy by using hyena cart for auctions. I think it’s greed driven. Doesn’t she still have more boxes to fill? why all the selling when people still haven’t gotten their orders from before?

    Yeah, it’s business. She’s a great business woman. I don’t think hyena cart is for that sort of business.

    I am so glad to see GM’s off of where the hyenas are.

  266. veganthug says:

    I think it would be lovely if Suzanne removed herself from HC, but I’m sure she’d shoot herself in the foot before losing out on any $$.

  267. haha says:

    anyone notice her auctions aren’t bringing in very much money lately? Okay very much as in not 300 dollars a diaper.

  268. just me says:

    Good riddance to GM. I was almost positive that HC was for handcrafted items only until she came along. Hopefully the petition is enough to get her off HC.
    And if anyone wonders why other popular WAHMs (WCW, PB&E) are not selling as quickly as they used to, its because people are spending all their paypal on GM auctions. Its sad really how one diaper contractor can effectively screw with hundreds of other businesses.

  269. haha says:

    Okay here’s my tacky Suzanne comment of the day (and goes right along with her crappy business response).

    “The site is going up and down right now because it seems everyone/alot of people have downloaded auto refreshers for their browsers. This is seriously overloading our server. Please do not email me telling me I need to get a new server. We have our own dedicated server and a$350/monthly bill to go with it. Please disable your auto refresher. If your IP address continues to hit our server it is seen as a denial of service attack and will blacklist your IP. Then you will never be able to access the site. This is what our computer guy told us and this is how it will be.”

    WTF? Why bitch at people and tell them how much your server costs each month??

  270. DSDM2 says:

    Dang! So if you sit and hit refresh you will be BLd too?

  271. FatCat says:

    Must be nice to pay only $5 to crash hyena carts servers. *eyeroll*

  272. illrememberthisname says:

    i feel really bad for the people that just want to buy a diaper and are now banned from the site? That is days of sitting and refreshing, auto or not, time out of people’s lives and now they can’t even home to get a diaper because they are banned? I don’t get it.

  273. illrememberthisname says:

    wow, I need to reread before I hit submit
    home=hope

  274. just me says:

    Eh who cares. Maybe more people will come to their senses and stop being lemmings.

  275. Grogwench says:

    Gah! I can’t believe how blind people are. She could shit in each dipe before she sent them out and people would rave about it!

    No manufactured dipe is worth the snark she directs at her clients.

  276. Justsaying says:

    Have you been to the LJ GM community? The ass kissing and boot licking there is utterly nauseating. And it goes both ways–Suzanne is just as guilty of sucking up especially to no.diaper.drama. There was a lovefest thread at the last stocking about how Suzanne et al are underappreciated–um, I think the cash makes up for any inconvenience of the stockings. I have GMs, I like GMs, but there are other alternatives that are just as good and actually possible to get. I waited over 3 months for my REGULAR wishbox, and it arrived in 3 different shipments because of substitutions. Bullshit.

  277. illrememberthisname says:

    justsaying-
    but thats the point of the whole community, didn’t you get the memo

  278. cammy says:

    I do not think GM’s are popular bc of the drama. I tried one, liked the absorbacy, material, quality and fit unlike any other diaper I have ever tried and that was it! I wanted to buy more. They are just good diapers.

  279. cammy says:

    If the pattern has been around since 1987 wouldn’t there have been GM looking diapers all over the place since 1987 and that GMs would not be so popular today?

  280. cammy says:

    Just me? A GM user is a sheep or lemming, or even an idiot? Am I reading this wrong? To me they are just good quality/material and fit like a dream. I do not worship them or Suzanne. They just work – and when I bought mine they were less than $30.00 and I know they will last through toilet training and to me that is a great value.

    I am not trying to put Suzanne or the product on a pedestal but defending those who just like the diaper and that’s it just a diaper. Those who like quality are not lemmings or idiots.

    Oh dear. I can’t believe I am spending this time online over a diaper. Who are the lemmings, anyway? Look who is spending all this time being negative instead of positive and discrediting whoever came up with this diaper. Does not change how it performs or fits.

  281. What a wanker says:

    I have goodmamas. I don’t have a problem with the diaper. I have a problem with the way the company is run, the policies that are put in place, the way she treats her customers, the way she talks down to people, the fact that she blames the customers for her growing pains instead of just being happy she HAS growing pains, and that it appears she may have copied a diaper. I also don’t like that there are so many goodmama followers that treat her like she is a goddess and don’t care about any of the rest and are constantly excusing her behavior.

    No problem with the actual diaper though, well except that it doesn’t stay very soft, now, does it?

  282. haha says:

    GM’s are my favorite diaper. Never once did I say the diaper was crappy. For me it’s all in the owner of the company. She could mark them down to 20 bucks and I wouldn’t support her anymore. Until she starts talking to her customers like customers vs. someone that annoys the shit out of her I’m done. I wouldn’t put up with an employee at the grocery store talking to me like she does people I sure as hell won’t support someone over it!

  283. RubberNecking says:

    That’s just it. I like the diapers okay, although there are plenty of awesome diapers out there. It’s her bad attitude that turns me off.

    If you look at any of the wahms whose products have been big, Luxe, Elbee, Patchwork Pixie, Mosaic Moon, KiwiPie for example, all of them are excellent to their customers and treat them with respect and friendship. None of these ladies would ever, in a million years, tell their customers that they would be banned for hitting refresh too many times.

    If I’m going to support a small business, it’s going to be one of the businesses who work hard to deliver a great attitude along with their products.

    Goodmamas are not the only quality diaper out there.

  284. labalaba says:

    I have a friend with gm’s, and I have made a TON of pp’s. I do find the gm very similar to a pp with the gussets left off, the rise shaved, and the wings lengthened. When she let me try the gm on dd, I noticed the similarity because I have made pp’s without the gusset just for fun, trying for a really trim fit.

    I don’t know if it’s copied. but it is VERY similar. That is a completely objective opinion. If I had created the pp pattern, I’d raise my eyebrows and check into it too. And I’m pretty sure you can mess with a pattern, make stuff from it, sell it, and be legal “through the loopholes.” BUT if a WAHM were to admit she did that- and who knows if she did- she would lose all her business because that’s not considered a nice practice even if it is basically legal. And people who support WAHMs care about that sort of thing.

    No biases or prejudices here. Just the observations of an experienced seamstress.

  285. #78 – I dunno HOW she could accuse Michelle of Muttaqin of lifting her pattern, when Michelle had Mutts out and doing WELL back in 2003/2004 when we were diapering. GMs hadn’t come out until WELL AFTER DD potty learned in 2006.

  286. Jazz Slater says:

    Wouldn’t shutting down a thread like that negate freedom of speech? They are not outright saying it is true, it isn’t slander per say. If DS is deleting this kind of stuff they should just le people make up their won ideas about stuff, if no one believs it the thread will die a natural death.

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