The Drama of Diaper Swappers

Yesterday, 08:10 PM

We are posting a public outing of DS Member and former co-op star hostess Jenifer.
Some things have been brought to our attention and the team did some investigating.
We are not happy with what we found and feel it is our responsibility to protect our members and let you know what happened. We also removed Jenifer from Co-ops and did a mediation with her. There are 4 other packages that we know of which are missing to out of country moms and we are doing our best to track these packages. If any of these packages arrive PLEASE contact a coop mod and let them know. We got her to refund some money that we found she kept from co-ops after crunching numbers and them not adding up. We have worked hard and bettered our coop system by now having hosts fwd the emails from the companies or wahm’s directly to us in original format to the ds co-ops email address.

We have found the following:

TIERRA FARMS
Jenifer states: Feb 1 posted saying order was being input into TF system and nothing was OOS and being made to order, last time took 2 weeks (last time was made same day as well)
Feb 1- posted that paypal was pending on Feb 3
Feb 3- posted saying TF said about a week (this was never stated by TF)
Feb 8- posted saying TF emailed and stated “started processing today and to expect a shipping notice in 7-10 days” and that she was going to look for helpers
Feb 18- posted saying she was going to call and see if it had shipped, told Liana the produce delivery to make our order was held up by the snowstorm
Feb 18- posted that the order was being overnighted Tuesday (she still had not paid for it yet at this point)
Feb 21- posted that her kids were sick
Feb 23- posted that the order was there. Said she couldn’t open any boxes cause her whole family was ill and puking.
Feb 28- posted that she had inventoried most items and 2 items were mislabeled and some were broken. (this is the day the order was paid for)
March 2nd- realized 3 items were missing and OOS (this is the day the order arrived)

Jenifer had no communication between 1/29 and 2/18 so the posts about emails during that time from TF are false

TF states: they do not overnight, the order would have shipped Jan 28th had it been paid for when ordered on the 27th. Jenifer emailed on 2/18 stating she would call and pay the next morning. No communication between then and 2/28 when Jenifer called and made payment. The order shipped that same day via UPS tracking number 1Z1R07090346165358 and was delivered at approx 9am on Mar 2

During the time her entire family was sick and throwing up, posted on facebook that she attended a baby shower. She also had Baltic Creations input fills while her sister visited from out of town but told participants she had a family emergency and that was why she couldn’t do them.

Stated TF had a $2000 minimum (on Jan 16 and 20th in TF thread), they fact have NO minimum and require a $300 order for free sth. Also stated during the June co-op the minimum would be $1000 (3/7 in TF thread)

Stated we could order by the half case when TF told her that was a one time thing and they did not want to do it again, therefore making DS look bad when she ordered ½ cases again

Upcharged TF pricing in Sept and Jan on the following items: [received the invoices from TF and compared to what she charged] (had liana help change prices on spreadsheet, telling her the prices had increased)
* apple rings (both times)
* roasted salted mixed nuts (sept)
* chocolate covered almonds (sept)
* cashew maple butter (sept)
* diced apples (jan)
* apricots (jan)
* tamari roasted almonds (jan)
* maple glazed cashews (jan)
* sea salt and onion cashews (jan)
* roasted salted walnuts (jan)
* chocolate covered coconut (jan)

TF mistakenly sent unsalted tomatoes rather than the salted ones that were ordered. Jen stated she checked with the mamas that ordered them and unsalted was fine. Actually the moms were never asked if that was OK, I’m assuming because the label does not indicate salted or unsalted.

Underinsured at least one TF package

Upcharged Susan0607’s TF order shipping by over $11

At least 3 orders in TF were not shipped when she states they were and were actually shipped on 3/18 after mod intervention

Put smaller orders in larger boxes with too much excess space causing item breakage and high shipping charges for oversized boxes.

DHARMA
4 canada packages still MIA from dharma and she will not provide customs numbers

Ship charge from dharma was 16% of cost. Asked to see invoice multiple times and it still has never been forwarded

Posted on Feb 12 in TF thread that she noticed a difference in dharma invoice vs what she collected but she doesn’t state noticing a difference in TF invoice vs collected either in Sept or Jan.

CLEAR HILLS HONEY
CHH usually drop ships her items and requested to do so again but Jenifer refused

Stated CHH was “almost completed” when it had in fact been completed for 2 days and kept giving the WAHM the runaround about paying for shipping

BALTIC CREATIONS
Asked by WAHM to divide insurance cost among orders, stated she would just add that into shipping cost and the participants wont know, then did not pay for that insurance cost as agreed upon until mod intervention.

Refused to allow WAHM to drop ship and therefore in stock items were delayed waiting on custom items to be made so all could be shipped to Jenifer

Charged $2.86 shipping per participant rather than the actual cost + fees (she mentioned every order was under 2oz) The cost for 2oz including dc is $1.58 plus fees $1.94

MISCELLANEOUS
Split bulk coconut after being told it was against DS co-op rules to open food items.

Charged multiple co op fees for co ops combined in shipping to at least the following participants: (this is a sample, not all)
* Baltic Creations
* iamnaturally
* starsnlollipops
* keropisunshine23
* jaci
* rxmama

Has been asked multiple times to provide explanation, to no avail.

To summarize:
We are all very shocked and saddened at what has been discovered. Please know we take none of this lightly and even though a lot of you are very close with Jenifer, we hope you understand that we have an obligation to protect the members of DS and our actions are only furthering that objective. Please direct any questions you may have to Sweet_Fantasy_Fox, mOmof3, or IAM, naturally and we will be happy to do what we can to answer or get answers.

Today, 11:37 AM

I bought this dress for Kairi a couple months ago

but it was a Christmas gift so I am just now about

to rave about it.

I love love love love love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Today, 11:40 AM

Adorable!!!

Today, 11:43 AM

To adorable!!!!

Today, 01:45 PM

that is so cute and so is your DD!

Today, 01:56 PM

I Jenny… I have a couple dress too from her. I can’t for my daughter to wear them in the springtime although she already wearing the matching slippers right now.

It look beautiful on your daughter too.:thumbup:

Today, 02:41 PM

look beautiful on your daughter. i hope the sewing is better than 99% i’ve seen on the pics in her facebook.

Today, 03:17 PM

What Becky said…her FB things are horrendous.

Today, 07:55 AM

…. a day for kids to have an excuse to eat bad food, an excuse for teens to cause trouble, an excuse for woman to dress like whores, and an excuse for adults to get drunk and party.

Am I right? or am I right? lol.

Yes Im still having fun with the kids and we will be eating doughnuts cider and a few pieces of candy. But Im not going to use Halloween as an excuse for any of these things.

JustAugust · Today, 02:55 PM

I recently bought a diaper I’ve wanted FOREVER! The mama is new here (has less than 5 ratings but 100% feedback), so I took a chance since I can’t find another one anywhere. Everything went fine, she was very nice, and I got the diaper today. It’s a Fuzzi Bunz, and the waterproof stuff has completely come off of 80-90% of the diaper! So I can’t use it at all. I mean, I guess it could be used as a fitted. I paid $12 for it (no insert). I sent the mama a message and she’s gotten back to me quickly, offered a refund immediately, but when I asked about getting shipping back as well, she refused. Her solution is that she can refund the $12 (which I will have fees taken out for anyways) and I can send it back, or she can refund $6 (which I will also have fees taken and I can keep the diaper. I don’t really find either solution acceptable. I’m not wanting to make money off of her! I’m just wanting to be not be out anything (other than pp fees) in the end since I am not at fault. She said basically why should she double pay to ship a diaper. Um… because you sent a diaper that isn’t as described and can’t be used. I’m wanting to know if I’m in the wrong for wanting a full refund plus shipping back to her? WWYD?

Here are pics of the diaper:

Today, 05:32 PM

I sold a Knickernappie os and I used this five times (i bought it brand new) and now the mom who has It says it must have bad elastic since the snapped down rise doesn’t match her other CDs. The cd was pretty much coming in brand new condition. I think the manufacturer changed the rise thus the difference. Just upset of being accused of sailing a bad cd when it was practically new. I compared my other one that was used twice and it is higher rise than a one I got off fsot but the elastic isn’t bad either. Would you refund knowing there is no way it could be bad elastic?

Today, 10:14 AM

I was nursing my 9 month old last night and browsing online at the same time. She woke up and pulled off the boob and sat up. Around the same time my husband started talking so I looked over at him. When I looked back down at the screen there was my FIL’s head staring at me. Unbeknownst to me, my husband and FIL had been collaberating on setting up Skype so they could talk to the grandkids. And my husband had set our computer to “auto answer” when it was called. So my FIL sat down at his computer in his house and dialed our number (first time, he was just playing around with it) and boom – my laptop “answered” the call and showed my boob hanging right there. I was in shock. After a couple seconds of immobility, I threw the computer to the side and walked away. I couldn’t even talk for a few seconds I was so shocked. That sucked. My husband couldn’t quit laughing.

Yesterday, 03:29 PM

i left DS because i did not like a lot of the changes i saw occurring here. but i was wondering if anyone is still around from the ‘old school’?

Yesterday, 10:33 PM

I am PO but trying not to be because of super sweet Mamas who helped me. Its just a few mams who get under my skin. I knew I was putting myself out there and requested no flaming in my story. In an accident my daughter got mildly hurt. She got frostbite on her bum hands and feet during a stall while strapped in her car seat sleeping on her way home on a really bad winter day. She had on a snowsuit.

I just wanted help and suggestions for upcoming winter. I am trying to not repeat this.

But I guess I am the only Mama in the world who has had something happen to their child. I am exaggerating in this. they have never broken a bone but have been scrapped up, fallen, dislocated elbows, etc. You take precautions but never expect the worst. especially so close to home. Now I lived through a version of the worst and want to improve. But women is it Pms, pride or what ???

Sorry I am just complaining loudly. Encourage one another daily is my motto.
Think this through before you speak or type.

Today, 09:17 AM

Lets pray in unity for 1 day and maybe take a fast for Ds Mamas that we will walk together in the unity of motherhood and be encouraging to one another.

I know some isolated mams come here for support and it may be all they have. So lets ask that they will feel the love of the Mamas here. I feel the spirit of pride on this site and i ask for it to leave it name of the Lord so that we can have unity and walk together supporting each other.

Am I way out there?

08-22-2010, 07:40 PM

I am really fustrated with a craigslist sale this afternoon and it doesn’t help that I have 38 weeks pregnant.

Here goes:

My original craigslist post:
New Style Fuzzi Bunz
Diapers are in good used condition (no staining, snaps and elastic good shape)

6 Medium come with inserts $10
Light Pink
Purple(2)
Robin Egg Blue
Teal
Train Print

1 Petite comes with insert $10
Yellow

1 Grobaby with cloth insert $15
Wildflowers print (has been converted to snaps)

Please email for pictures.

Emails sent between both of us all the way up until the last one(I have not sent a response email):

I got these diapers home and atleast 4 have something wrong with the pul! And one is a petiete, I’m not very happy!
M

On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:40 PM, wrote:

There are 8 total.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

—–Original Message—–
From: M
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:31:45
To:
Subject: Re: New Style Fuzzi Bunz Cloth Diapers – $10 (Avon)

Sounds great! How many fbs are there all together so I have enough
cash on hand

On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:27 PM, wrote:

That should be fine. We are going to do sunday lunch so we could
meet around 3. I can give you a call when we are headed towards that
way.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

—–Original Message—–
From: M
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:23:42
To:
Subject: Re: New Style Fuzzi Bunz Cloth Diapers – $10 (A)

I’m still in n, my husband is giving the baby a bottle and
then were heading out. I was going to see if you could meet me at my
parents house, it’s on the north end of b. , I can call you or text when I get
close

On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:20 PM, wrote:

When are you wanting to meet and where at in b? I don’t
think it should be to big of a deal.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

—–Original Message—–
From: M
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:07:35
To:
Subject: Re: New Style Fuzzi Bunz Cloth Diapers – $10 (A)

Do you think you could meet me in b? Were coming from
N and that extra 10-15 mins to A could be a major
breakdown for my 4mo old who hates the car!

On Aug 22, 2010, at 9:52 AM, wrote:

I also found another purple and another yellow medium if you are
interested in those.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

—–Original Message—–
From: M
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:41:19
To: Elizabeth
Subject: Re: New Style Fuzzi Bunz Cloth Diapers – $10 (A)

Great I won’t be in the area till after then! I most likely will
want
all but have a girl so not the train one lol!

On Aug 22, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Elizabeth
wrote:

These are still available. We have church until 12 today but I
will
be available after that. Please call me at to set
up a
time and place to meet.
Thanks
Elizabeth
On Aug 21, 2010, at 9:36 PM, M wrote:

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** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping
** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html

Are the fbs still avalible? I will be out in b/A area
tomorrow a d would love to buy the mediums!!

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bab/1911953363.html

What should I do???

I have draft a email to send back to her.
I am sorry that you were not pleased with the diapers. The pul issue is that it has seperated. The diapers are still in complete functioning order. I would be more than happy to purchase the diapers back from you since you were not pleased. However I am having a baby this week and would not be able to meet until sometime next week after being released from the hospital. I can get in contact with you after I am home and makes arrangements for a place for us to meet here in Avon after I return home.

As far as one of them being a petite. I had all the diapers listed and when you emailed me I read the email as you saying you wanted all of them but the train print. I thought that included the petite. I am sorry that is my mistake.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

Things that make me mad about the situation: I met her face to face and she only pulled one of the diapers out of the bag they were in and looked at it. I pulled another out and showed to her. I didn’t mention the seperated PUL but not because I was trying to get one over on her but because I completely forgot to. I used the diapers like that for a year and never had one issue with them not working so when I listed them I just completely forgot to mention it.(This is one of the only reasons I am agreeing to buy them back in the first place).

Yesterday, 09:03 PM

I just thought I would share my experience with this company with everyone, and please let everyone you know how much the RaR company doesn’t care about its product or customers.

I bought a new RaR on DS in January or February. The woman I bought it from had bought it new from the company, tried it on her daughter, and didn’t like it. So she sold it. I got it in new, unwashed condition. I washed it as the label suggests and with All Free and Clear detergent. It went in the dryer on low. Almost immediately, I noticed that the diaper didn’t fit as well. With each wash, it seemed to be stuck to itself inside, pulling the outside in, and making it smaller. (I have other RaR diapers that I wash in the same way and have never had a problem, but those were bought used off of DS). It has gotten to the point where it doesn’t fit well on my daughter.

I contacted the company and explained the situation. I sent in a picture of the problem like they asked, and was told that it is not a defect. Holly Stevens told me, “Thank you for submitting your claim to us. Unfortunately, your diaper appears to be from a much older production run based on the color, and does not qualify for replacement. We stopped producing this color before the supplier issue occurred. Sometimes diapers will delaminate after a certain number of use/washes/trips in the dryer. Also, soaking of any kind can damage the bond between the TPU and the fabric. Certain laundry agents will also cause the TPU to age prematurely such as bleach or oxyclean. If you would like more information about care please let me know” and in another email, “The diaper that you have submitted is not defective. It was purchased before the supplier issue occurred and is free of any defects. Diapers with TPU may delaminate after a certain amount of use depending on the care routine. I know you are disappointed but hope that you will understand that we are only able to provide replacements for diapers that were produced at the time we experienced the supplier issue.”

If a ton of people don’t complain to them, then it is not defective. This is the worst company I have ever encountered. They clearly care nothing for the quality of their product or the satisfaction of their customers. I will never buy another diaper from this company, and I suggest you think twice about ever doing so in case you ever end up with a “non-defective” defective diaper like me.

Today, 01:32 PM

This is just a rant…nothing can be done about it.

You may remember me posting about my displeasure that a WAHM was taking large quantities of additional orders (games, freebies, etc) in spite of being several weeks behind.

Ok, so I had originally ordered the items as a gift for my niece’s birthday June 24. I placed the order 2 weeks beforehand. It wasn’t the end of the world if it didn’t come exactly on time. I found out (after paying) that items would ship in 4-6 weeks. So, I bought my niece something else for her gift.

Now, here it is 2 months later, and no sign of my order. It’s too late to file with PP, and I was informed by a couple people that I would EVENTUALLY get my stuff. I have no intentions of EVER ordering from her again. But at this rate, I’m wondering if I’ll get it in time for Christmas?!!

So I entered a trade with a mama who had 300+ positive feedback. I sent my part, but she was waiting on materials to finish her part. No worries, her feedback was stellar, her products had a good name so I had no reason to feel like she was ‘pulling my leg’. Well About 2 months went by I messaged her, she said she was shipping her end of the trade & I would have a DC. I messaged her two weeks later, was given a laundry list of things that have happened & was told I would get MY part back, not the items she was to trade with me.. about 2-3 weeks later, still no item & no DC. And she HAS been on to check my messages asking about a DC.

Should I just leave feedback, get a mod involved? Wait it out longer?..

I understand things happen, but this is now 3 months of no goods, and + time being out of selling or trading the item I mailed to her. I’m just a tad fed up.

Today, 11:37 AM	#1
whitneywalters WAHM Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,729 Ratings: 138 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Verychicbaby rave I bought this dress for Kairi a couple months ago but it was a Christmas gift so I am just now about to rave about it. I love love love love love it!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ ~Whitney~ loving wife and devoted mama~ Alex (4-06) Destiny ( 8-07 ), Kairi ( 7-09 ), expecting in 7-11 and forever missing the one we lost (7-10 ) Blog:http://livinthemomlife.blogspot.com/

Today, 11:40 AM	#2
bubbalooX4 Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 8,017 Ratings: 373 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Re: Verychicbaby rave Adorable!!! __________________ ~Britanie~ Mama of 4 earth children and 1 angel babe. Vae Sophia Noah & Finn

Today, 11:43 AM	#3
Chinabun Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 1,387 Ratings: 16 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Re: Verychicbaby rave To adorable!!!! __________________ Charlotte ♡ BunBun IDSO: Koto Garden with pink

Today, 01:45 PM	#4
Fitter Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,195 Ratings: 31 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Re: Verychicbaby rave that is so cute and so is your DD! __________________ Kelly wife to Rich , mommy to I , G , and L

Today, 01:56 PM	#5
kareybear Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,720 Ratings: 69 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Re: Verychicbaby rave I Jenny… I have a couple dress too from her. I can’t for my daughter to wear them in the springtime although she already wearing the matching slippers right now. It look beautiful on your daughter too.:thumbup: __________________ Karey SAHM to 3 beautiful girls and Loving Hubby YYMN (Your Yarn My Needle)and MYMN (My Yarn My Needle)Yarn gallery ISO/IHA Here is a Cloth Tutorial Open for DecemberClosed and January 2 more slot open

The Drama of Diaper Swappers

Another Co-Op Host gone bad.

Since you obviously want us to post about it…

Public Outting of DS Coop Scam…

WOW.

We are here, just not around…

Please tell us how you really feel.

$12 for WHAT???

I will accuse you of a couple things.

Too funny not to share.

Here! We ‘old schoolers’ are Here!

All hail the perfect Christian Mom…

WTH are you thinking?

The Company isn’t Wrong…

An update on a BAD WAHM.

What is up with this?

Today, 02:41 PM	#6
mammaof3lovelys Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: wenatchee, washington Posts: 3,585 Ratings: 37 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Re: Verychicbaby rave look beautiful on your daughter. i hope the sewing is better than 99% i’ve seen on the pics in her facebook. __________________ Mommio Becky 2-24-???? to Issy 8-26-02, Katie 5-29-04, and Wyatt 12-24-08 Like my avatar? Lil’ Munchkies made them!

Today, 03:17 PM	#7
Mom24Babes Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Telford, TN Posts: 2,551 Ratings: 33 Feedback: 100% My Mood:	Re: Verychicbaby rave What Becky said…her FB things are horrendous. __________________ Becca~Helpmeet to Jerm Homeschooling mama to Rachelle~9 Issac~7 Ethan~5 Lucas 2 I’m a consultant